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harddy · 24 April 2011 at 9:07PM

thorsoak wrote: »

OP - do you honestly not see how offensive swearing at someone is?

You are most definitely in the wrong - no amount of wriggling about how unfair your manager is to you etc etc etc will not get you anywhere in a disciplinary - apologise profusely, give your word that you will keep your foul mouth to yourself in work in future and you might - if you are lucky - get off with a written warning.

But please learn some social skills - would you like to hear that language coming from your toddler (if and when you have one)? Because unless you learn to control your mouth that is what will happen.

It was a mistake in the heat of the moment, and was a reaction to what I felt as an insult and that is "use your brains", am only human and the woman is evil.
As for your analogy about toddler, I would like to let you know that I am not her toddler, my social skills are fine. |You should try and understand the issue and also how humans react to what they see as insulting, and also understand that accidents do happen in the heat of the moement.

GothicStirling · 24 April 2011 at 9:09PM

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Of course the HR manager will back managers - that's what they are there to do - to keep the company out of court.

The director is also biased, they aren't going to go against management - are they? That would in turn show up their own recruitment and management as failing....

If you swear at management, then what else do you expect them to do? Buy you cake and take you out for tea?

Exactly.

Who is harder to replace: good managers or staff who swear at managment?

patman99 · 24 April 2011 at 9:20PM

Good managers would not tell their staff to 'use your brains'.

DVardysShadow · 24 April 2011 at 9:23PM

GothicStirling wrote: »

Exactly.

Who is harder to replace: good managers or staff who swear at managment?

I am far from convinced that harddy's employer have even appointed a good manager in the first place. Without condoning harddy [and he should not use this in his defence], I feel there was a degree of provocation. And if someone does get frustrated and let out a wrong word, a half decent manager would want to resolve the underlying issue and restore a constructive working relationship. Only if harddy persisted in saying cufking or similar would a good manager take it to HR rather than resolve it face to face on the spot.

Sambucus_Nigra · 24 April 2011 at 9:33PM

patman99 wrote: »

Good managers would not tell their staff to 'use your brains'.

We don't know how many times that member of staff has actually been told to do the thing it is which they tell us they asked the manager - and judging by the OP's responses we aren't going to get an honest answer either.

harddy · 24 April 2011 at 9:38PM

Here is the situation; I went to see my Manager about something of a concern, it was her job to try and sort it out, she screwed up so many times, because she did not know what she is doing (just like a lot of incompetent Managers) she kicked off.
Another point to add, eventhough she is my line manager, she actually don't have a clue about my job, I have made her life a lot easier over the years by taking a full responsibility and resolving issues related to what I am doing and this is not part of my job.
Hope that makes a bit of sense.

Sambucus_Nigra · 24 April 2011 at 9:41PM

I suspect your manager will see it slightly differently

harddy · 24 April 2011 at 9:47PM

What I don't understand is the fact that she had so many issues managing our centre, and yet she is still there, that probably would give you another hint.

RuthnJasper · 24 April 2011 at 9:47PM

harddy wrote: »

Thank you mate, I really appreciate your support, unlike some on here who are just biased themselves without even knowing the facts, how sad is that!

No problem, sweetie. Glad I could offer you a bit of support.

Don't misunderstand me - swearing at anyone (even an über-8itch colleague) is ALWAYS wrong. BUT - everyone makes mistakes. If we never, ever, made an error we would not be human - we would be divine - and that is impossible.

Anyone who has made a mistake should always have the opportunity to explain themselves fairly and apologise before judgement is pronounced upon them.

I still wish the OP the very best of luck - Harddy has already said that he/she was employed by the firm for three years before this incident took place. Personally, although what they said was very wrong, I think they've suffered enough.

Harddy - Let us know how you get on - and, !!!!!!, don't do it again!

R&J x

Torry_Quine · 24 April 2011 at 9:48PM

Depending on any previous disciplinary problems which will of course make a difference this is a very serious position to be in. Personally I would look on this as at the very least misconduct and could even be gross misconduct. I do think that dismissal is a very real possibility as I don't think it is acceptable to swear at anyone in this way and certainly not at a manager no matter how inept you may consider them to be. Sorry if that isn't what you want to hear and I hope that everything works out for you.