Child Tax credit changed - Why?

milliebear00001

zagfles wrote: »

Really? So you don't reckon they're in the top 10% of the income scale, who are losing most according to the IFS (and yes, that's in % terms).

As a propertion of their income, it's a drop in the ocean that neither of them will miss - that's the difference.

melly1980

milliebear00001 wrote: »

That's all very well, but the Governments own calculators (see HMRC site for example) are also giving different amounts. At the moment there is no way of checking why your amount is different unless you sit for hours on the phone. It is an almightly !!!!-up not to have sent out new award letters, and they know it.

While I agree with that, the situation is as follows.

Many people have been relying on TC to the extent that a sizable reduction will put them up the creek without a paddle. These people have know that there were going to be SOME cuts. They have to have expected that their amounts would go down to an extent. Surely that was the time to wake up and see what they can do about it?

Remember, these figures that are coming now were happening anyway. Nothing was going to change that, the only difference is the element of shock and to be brutal about it a lot of that is to do with literally ignoring a potential problem that lies ahead.

zagfles

milliebear00001 wrote: »

As a propertion of their income, it's a drop in the ocean that neither of them will miss - that's the difference.

The richest 10% are losing the greatest proportion, that's why I wrote "in % terms". Anyway this is OT here.

zagfles

melly1980 wrote: »

While I agree with that, the situation is as follows.

Many people have been relying on TC to the extent that a sizable reduction will put them up the creek without a paddle. These people have know that there were going to be SOME cuts. They have to have expected that their amounts would go down to an extent. Surely that was the time to wake up and see what they can do about it?

Remember, these figures that are coming now were happening anyway. Nothing was going to change that, the only difference is the element of shock and to be brutal about it a lot of that is to do with literally ignoring a potential problem that lies ahead.

Yes but the point is some people who should be seeing increases in their tax credits are seeing cuts. Single parents on IS should be seeing rises not falls in tax credits, but some are reporting their payments have gone down.

Other people are getting cuts which don't tally with the 2011/12 rates and rules.

Other people (including myself) are getting different payments to those stated as the run-on payments in the latest award notice. Mine was about £20 higher than it says on my award notice, and it doesn't tally with what I should be getting based on 2011/12 rates.

I suspect a lot of people have had increases which they don't understand - but people don't tend to complain as much about getting unexpected increases

bazza1603

Try turn2us and that says I should be getting near my original amount... Fun and games...

Sixer

I think a lot of these panics are going to turn out to be balancing, run-on or interim payments due to the new tax year and the budget change - NOT the new monthly payments for everyone.

milliebear00001

melly1980 wrote: »

While I agree with that, the situation is as follows.

Many people have been relying on TC to the extent that a sizable reduction will put them up the creek without a paddle. These people have know that there were going to be SOME cuts. They have to have expected that their amounts would go down to an extent. Surely that was the time to wake up and see what they can do about it?

Remember, these figures that are coming now were happening anyway. Nothing was going to change that, the only difference is the element of shock and to be brutal about it a lot of that is to do with literally ignoring a potential problem that lies ahead.

Very few people are completely unaware there are cuts to TC. They are upset and annoyed that they are not able to properly budget for their families because of the Governments' failure to inform them of the accurate figures for their new award - something unprecented in the past history of TC who usually fall over themselves to send out notices at every opportunity and to everybody (as somebody already said) bar the family dog.

Not interested in the cuts - am interested in finding out how much money I am now going to have coming in each month - doesn't seem an unreasonable request to me.

melly1980

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Very few people are completely unaware there are cuts to TC. They are upset and annoyed that they are not able to properly budget for their families because of the Governments' failure to inform them of the accurate figures for their new award - something unprecented in the past history of TC who usually fall over themselves to send out notices at every opportunity and to everybody (as somebody already said) bar the family dog.

Not interested in the cuts - am interested in finding out how much money I am now going to have coming in each month - doesn't seem an unreasonable request to me.

well calculate it then. There are giudes everywhere for how to calculate it. Sodding hell here people are getting free money here and now not content with that want it down to the penny. There is a transitional period in prog here and everyone cant expect their @rses wiping all day long anymore.

FBaby

zagfles wrote: »

Yes but the point is some people who should be seeing increases in their tax credits are seeing cuts. Single parents on IS should be seeing rises not falls in tax credits, but some are reporting their payments have gone down.

Confused about this, why should single mums who choose not to work (a choice they can make that others can't) see their tc increase? Surely that would only de-incentives them even more not to look for a job?

pipscot

FBaby wrote: »

Confused about this, why should single mums who choose not to work (a choice they can make that others can't) see their tc increase? Surely that would only de-incentives them even more not to look for a job?

this thread is about people who are legitimately claiming tax credits who have not received the payment they were expecting (and relying on to pay their rent, food shopping, heating, water, electric...)

A discussion about whether certain benefits act to disincentivise people from looking for work would be very interesting - perhaps you could start a thread in Discussion Time?:):):):) or even take it up with your MP?