Lego Land and DDA

Derivative

Your wrong, people with a vested right cant include and exclude other disabilities as and when they feel like it and niether can you as a support of one such candidate, you dont have a single clue about other disabilities just like you hero.

Of course they can.
Someone with a broken wrist can sit in a queue for as long as they bloody want.

Saying all disabilities are equal is just daft.

sunnyone

Lokolo wrote: »

I never said they could exclude other disabilities. But the things you have listed have no impact on being able to queue - so why should they be allowed to have the pass?

By all means, should a deaf person have a disability that does prevent them from being able to queue - I would be happy for them to have the pass, but in simple terms of someone just being deaf - without any other impact, then no.

As for your last sentence (bit in red), it doesn't even make any sense so cannot comment. As for saying I haven't a single clue on disabilities then I am afraid you are completely wrong, as one of my friends is deaf, my mum has epilepsy, and my best friends step brothers both have tourettes.

Totals have no idea of normal life, you learn by sight and sound predominantly during your formative years and Totals have had no hearing form birth or any prospect of ever hearing a sound ever, they are a toatally diffrent class apart from deafness and often they have other disabilities too, like CP as my nephew has.

Disabilities dont come in simple, regualar packs but mix and match diffrent disabilities which is why no one can ever just refuse one class of disability from having disability consessions, it should go on DLA rates alone with the highest class being a double high award but that dosnt suit Zziggi and his ilk because they dont get double high awards but nor do they want to have other awards entitled to exit passes because again that donst suit their agenda.

Diffrent disabilities need diffrent adjustments but its not up to venues to give a legal adjustment to diffrent disablities or people would take action against them for discrimination, its the same here when one fraction tries to force descrimination on another, the law will win out.

Lokolo

sunnyone wrote: »

Totals have no idea of normal life, you learn by sight and sound predominantly during your formative years and Totals have had no hearing form birth or any prospect of ever hearing a sound ever, they are a toatally diffrent class apart from deafness and often they have other disabilities too, like CP as my nephew has.

Disabilities dont come in simple, regualar packs but mix and match diffrent disabilities which is why no one can ever just refuse one class of disability from having disability consessions, it should go on DLA rates alone with the highest class being a double high award but that dosnt suit Zziggi and his ilk because they dont get double high awards but nor do they want to have other awards entitled to exit passes because again that donst suit their agenda.

Diffrent disabilities need diffrent adjustments but its not up to venues to give a legal adjustment to diffrent disablities or people would take action against them for discrimination, its the same here when one fraction tries to force descrimination on another, the law will win out.

OK so getting away from the whole deafness as you seem to be not understanding the point I am making.

Lets take my mother as an example. She has epilepsy, which does limit some of the activities she can do, queueing is not one of them.

Should she be allowed one of these passes because she has a disability, yes or no?

Brassedoff

EdgEy wrote: »

Of course they can.
Someone with a broken wrist can sit in a queue for as long as they bloody want.

Saying all disabilities are equal is just daft.

Hear, hear. There are people far more disabled than me and if they were, I would give up a seat or place for them. Varying levels, varying disabilities.

A common sense post.

Brassedoff

Lokolo wrote: »

OK so getting away from the whole deafness as you seem to be not understanding the point I am making.

Lets take my mother as an example. She has epilepsy, which does limit some of the activities she can do, queueing is not one of them.

Should she be allowed one of these passes because she has a disability, yes or no?

No! They should be issued on need. As someone has said. HRM or Blue badge is the test. I would never dream of taking something if I needed it, just because I am disabled. And as someone else has said. A kid that cannot cope with queuing,(or rather the parent not wanting to make them) surely cannot cope with the ride itself? Something does not sit right in the argument for me.

SingleSue

Brassed off......sometimes it is not the queuing or the ride itself but the approach to the ride. As in my example earlier, I had to encourage youngest son to go on a ride because the area where you queued and the entrace to the ride was in a long, dark, corridor with weird mirrors and everyone pressed together which completely freaked youngest out.

The ride itself, was completely benign, no loud noises, no fast speeds...a very pleasent kiddies ride...god only knows why they made the entrance/queuing area so blooming scary, especially to an autistic child!

That said, we did use the normal queue for the ride and not the exit but it is an example of how a child may not be able to queue but is able to go on the ride.

Zziggi

sunnyone wrote: »

Disabilities dont come in simple, regualar packs but mix and match diffrent disabilities which is why no one can ever just refuse one class of disability from having disability consessions, it should go on DLA rates alone with the highest class being a double high award but that dosnt suit Zziggi and his ilk because they dont get double high awards but nor do they want to have other awards entitled to exit passes because again that donst suit their agenda.
out.

Firstly don't assume what my DS's condition/s are nor what rate of DLA he is on.

I did say quite clearly that the parent only mentioned deafness. Everyone is right the the child *might* have had other conditions, the child *might* have suffered vertigo, dizziness, sea sickness etc (but why would they go on those rides then- especially when there's a notice cautioning against people with these conditions). Hell, the child might have been deaf & autistic!! SingleSue is right, the parents *may* have chosen to focus on the hearing probs with a stranger. I also said that I could be wrong making those assumptions. But, let's just say I was completely correct - why should a child with deafness without an inability to queue & without any complications associated to deafness - why shouldn't that child queue as normal??

If you allow anyone with DLA to get exit passes then you are not making concessions for those who do have an inability to queue as they'll be in a long queue (albeit a bit shorter than th "normal" queue) with many people whose condition may well not prevent queuing.

If the criteria was HRM or a blue badge then it may mean that those with queuing difficulties may not get a band whilst those who have no issue with queuing can. E.g wheelchair user may be able to queue as well as an ambulant person (access restrictions aside) but gets an exit pass whilst a person with autism, ADHD etc may not. HRM is not necessarily indicative of an inability to queue.

I realise that no system is perfect but some people have quite simply been taking the p*ss & now means they tighten up the rules for everyone. I'm pleased because I was appalled at what *looked* like abuse of the concession when I went last year. It wouldnt go again but if they have tightened up on the system then I may consider a trip in the summer.

Derivative

I fail to see what all the fuss is about really.
Is it really that much of an issue to "only" get 6 rides at Alton Towers?

Vote with your feet and don't bloody go if it's so awful. At least you don't have the issue of waiting in a queue for 2 hours and then being told the park's closing before you get a go.

blue_monkey_2

Posted again for BrassedOff who wants to know why children cannot queue but can cope with the ride. Google 'Sensory Processing Disorder' and also 'Spacial Awareness'.

Also I would be interested to know whether you would be happy to queue for an hour next to the child that is constantly bumping into you, barging you you, jumping on your feet, swinging his arms and legs around and hanging from the barriers. Or do you think I should be holding him down for that hour so he screams and screams as his body NEEDS to be moving a lot? He cannot help it. It's part of his disability. Would you be happy queuing next to that child for one hour. And then we might even follow you to the next ride queue and the next.... Either way I'll be tutted at and judged for an hour by the ther parents because of my 'unruly and badly behaved child'.

But of course, all disabilities are clear cut aren't they?

Brassedoff wrote: »

No! They should be issued on need. As someone has said. HRM or Blue badge is the test. I would never dream of taking something if I needed it, just because I am disabled. And as someone else has said. A kid that cannot cope with queuing,(or rather the parent not wanting to make them) surely cannot cope with the ride itself? Something does not sit right in the argument for me.

Posted again from Page 4:

We had a lady come to see us from OT and she explained that it is to do with sensory processing.

Some children are thrill seekers, it is the sensory sensation that it gives. http://leapsandboundstherapy.co.uk/v1/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=88

These children are usually the ones that spend a lot of time spinning or cannot sit still for very long, they like to eat stuff they shouldn't (my son eats salt a lot, even off the ground when they have gritted, because he likes the sensation. Even the school have trouble stopping him from eating it).

Also: http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/

birkee

sunnyone wrote: »

Yes!

Deaf covers many diffrent things and can include balancing, feelings of see sickness etc. the parents of that child arnt here to defend themselves and nor should they have to, the park gives them the same rights as not provable in simple tests ailments such as Zziggi's child has.

Zziiggi and your kind only hate kids with disabilities that dont suit your view of disability and have the temerity to go go to theme parks like you take your kids too, even though it goes againsy YOUR kids disabilities and not the other childrens.

Are you as irrational as you sound?

"Balance problems and feelings like sea sickness"? And you take them on a fairground ride?
Are you into torturing children by any chance?
Or was that just an irrational post to support your opinion?