Bipolar disorder & housing.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Sorry for the late response but Allison Krauss & Robert Palmer took my attention

Savvy_Sue,

There are in fact two individuals in this thread, not just the O/P who understand the new rules and are seeking to engineer a new social housing provision ' while the going is good '. In the case of ' satankidneypie ' and his client they have tried HA / LA's with supporting evidence but without success for three years. They may win, but there are well founded reasons why they up to this point have failed to take advantage over other deserving cases. HA's & LA's and even the dreaded ATOS are understandably disinclined to take evidence from SW / MH / GP's / Physio's etc because of their pre inclination to support whatever the client wants.

So its wants over needs again. Disability law and case law is about need not want.

Regards, Richie

Savvy_Sue

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Savvy_Sue,

There are in fact two individuals in this thread, not just the O/P who understand the new rules and are seeking to engineer a new social housing provision ' while the going is good '.

I have been trying to concentrate on what the OP has said, rather than the rest of it, as I haven't been able to follow it all!

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

In the case of ' satankidneypie ' and his client they have tried HA / LA's with supporting evidence but without success for three years. They may win, but there are well founded reasons why they up to this point have failed to take advantage over other deserving cases. HA's & LA's and even the dreaded ATOS are understandably disinclined to take evidence from SW / MH / GP's / Physio's etc because of their pre inclination to support whatever the client wants.

So its wants over needs again. Disability law and case law is about need not want.

Fair enough, but from this post:

satankidneypie wrote: »

Medical form for the housing company has been filled in, social worker has backed it up. Over the phone they've stated that they wont consider a house full stop.

This is what makes me wonder whether the OP's friend has worked through the formal processes for submitting information, appealing etc etc etc. And if they have not, then they should find out what these processes are, and use them.

I don't know whether that will change the result. I do know that at the HA I used to work for, decisions and changes in priority / status would be confirmed in writing, not just communicated over the phone.

Another point to make is that in this area it's up to the individual to look online for properties, and 'bid' on those which they are 'qualified' for. In that situation, I would look, and keep looking, because it is possible that a flat could become available with access to a non-shared garden.

And if it's not possible to get a suitable property from a social landlord, then there's always looking for private rented, isn't there?

Finally, it's worth bearing in mind that the perfect property for the OP's friend probably doesn't exist. There will always be neighbours. Frequently bedroom windows overlook neighbouring gardens. Unless the fences are 6' high gardens can be overlooked from elsewhere too. So some thought needs to be given to whether being in a flat nearer family would outweigh the disadvantages of a property which might not be as suitable as the house they're currently living in.

the_devil_made_me_do_it

You have a suspicious mind Ritchie. I'm sure there's a diagnosis for that

sunnyone

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

sorry, I mis-typed my original post. I'll go back and edit it ...

to be clear: my understanding is that the OP's friend needs a house not a flat. A single person would not normally be entitled to a house, but would automatically only be given details of flats. However, if suitable EVIDENCE from professionals is submitted, then the default position (flats only, no houses) may be changed. Clearly the default position of 'single person, one bedroom only' has already been changed because of a medical need: what is not clear is whether appropriate evidence of the need for a house rather than a flat has been submitted.

Since it's a while since I worked for a HA, I do not know exactly how the systems work now. What I do know is that there will be a procedure for submitting evidence, and then a procedure for appealing / complaining. And there's always the MP, but being sure that the right evidence has been submitted first is always a good plan.

And if somewhere in this thread the OP has said that the SW / MH worker / doctor has written and the need for a house rather than a flat is still being ignored, I apologise, but it's a bit hard to follow what with all the accusations and counter accusations flying around.

They have been fighting for three years and they should have sent in the relevant information many times and from many people (or if they havent, why the hell not!), they have already contacted people and its all come back as NO, doing a thread here is desperation and if the move is so desperately needed to keep him safe they would have moved long before now because your health is is more important than anything, even getting one over on the LA to prove that you are right.

The person this thread is about is willing to pay the excess to top up LHA to move to the area that they want to be in yet the OP hasnt even looked at private rentatal in this area, so in three year the alternative to social housing hasnt even been explored which is disgusting if this person is as ill as claimed by the OP.

JoJo has serious physical disabilities and she has moved to a new build with has an accessable bathroom etc. after living in a flat with loads of stairs, she waited years for this accessable house, people with MH problems in general dont need specialised housing, the person this thread is about dosnt, they just want to move near their family and they can privately rent a house, any house they want because the person is willing to pay the diffrence.

sunnyone

satankidneypie wrote: »

Many of the Winterton staff were removed from working in mental health alltogether after its closure. Claims of brutality and such? Im sure a that there was stories in the local paper. That was a long long time ago. Wasnt it early 90's when that went.

I think that to deny Bipolar existance is absurd. It used to be called manic depression as far as I know.

I have reported this post because its total lies, my aunt and her team were moved to the County Hospital in Durham when Winterton shut.

There were in the late '80s many claims of abuse in all mental hospitals when Thatcher was kicking everyone out of the aslums for care in the community but I certainly didnt hear of any claims about Winterton apart from well after it shut when they found bodied buried in the cellars dating from the late 1800s when they demolished the place.

No one has denied that Bi Polar exists, certainly not me but it is the new fashionable DX for any Z rate star who pops off to the priory et al for a "rest" after drug and alchol binges.

Ralphy101

Consider the amount of celebraties in the past 20 yrs then consider out of that huge number the ones who's been diagnosed !? I think you'll find it's a minute figure in comparison. The fact that it makes the news - would surely indicate it's worthy of news... Because it's a figure in the limelight who's been struck by a horrible condition.

I still find your comments extremley naive, Ill thought and insensitive - it is your posts, that should be reported.

the_devil_made_me_do_it

sunnyone wrote: »

I have reported this post because its total lies, my aunt and her team were moved to the County Hospital in Durham when Winterton shut.

There were in the late '80s many claims of abuse in all mental hospitals when Thatcher was kicking everyone out of the aslums for care in the community but I certainly didnt hear of any claims about Winterton apart from well after it shut when they found bodied buried in the cellars dating from the late 1800s when they demolished the place.

No one has denied that Bi Polar exists, certainly not me but it is the new fashionable DX for any Z rate star who pops off to the priory et al for a "rest" after drug and alchol binges.

Winterton was one of the named asylums on a factual documentry which was aired on one of the BBC channels not so long ago. I suggest you take up your concerns with the BBC if you believe the content to be non factual as opposed to reporting the OPs post.

the_devil_made_me_do_it

Just to add. This thread has totally deviated from the original request for advice.

satankidneypie

sunnyone wrote: »

They have been fighting for three years and they should have sent in the relevant information many times and from many people (or if they havent, why the hell not!), they have already contacted people and its all come back as NO, doing a thread here is desperation and if the move is so desperately needed to keep him safe they would have moved long before now because your health is is more important than anything, even getting one over on the LA to prove that you are right.

The person this thread is about is willing to pay the excess to top up LHA to move to the area that they want to be in yet the OP hasnt even looked at private rentatal in this area, so in three year the alternative to social housing hasnt even been explored which is disgusting if this person is as ill as claimed by the OP.

JoJo has serious physical disabilities and she has moved to a new build with has an accessable bathroom etc. after living in a flat with loads of stairs, she waited years for this accessable house, people with MH problems in general dont need specialised housing, the person this thread is about dosnt, they just want to move near their family and they can privately rent a house, any house they want because the person is willing to pay the diffrence.

Three years ago, we (carers) knew the person needed to move. However becuase the symtoms we were seing didnt marry up to the original diagnosis, the care and housing requirements were all to pot. However since my friend has a new diagnosis all of the jigsaw pieces fit and all of the support is clicking into place bar from the LA. I dont actually care what you think, so it doesnt matter how much net warrioring you do. I asked for help, advice. You've give me opinion and a small amout of advice. Your not giving anything new so why bother. I understand you're point of veiw im simply rejecting it.

You dont understand all of the circumstances. They been trying to swap for 3 years. They've been dealing direct with LA/leeting agent for LA for 3 months. Its therefore came back as no ONCE and over the phone. My friend has seen a housing adviser today who claims this case maybe fightable, they just need the LA to document it in writing first.

PS everyone else that give good advice, im passing it all on thanks. Especially the part about following procedures offically.

satankidneypie

sunnyone wrote: »

I have reported this post because its total lies, my aunt and her team were moved to the County Hospital in Durham when Winterton shut.

There were in the late '80s many claims of abuse in all mental hospitals when Thatcher was kicking everyone out of the aslums for care in the community but I certainly didnt hear of any claims about Winterton apart from well after it shut when they found bodied buried in the cellars dating from the late 1800s when they demolished the place.

No one has denied that Bi Polar exists, certainly not me but it is the new fashionable DX for any Z rate star who pops off to the priory et al for a "rest" after drug and alchol binges.

Well a neighbouring council sacked people (2 i think). I had some friends in the 90's that worked in HR there. I saw a documentry too, not sure if its the same one TDMDI is on about tho. I think it was on last year.