Bipolar disorder & housing.

dmg24

sunnyone wrote: »

So you want the house and not the person in question, most SW's go with the flow so I wouldnt rate their opinion and yours is null and void because you dont have a clue about medical issues unless you have worked as a pdoc or cpn in a qualified role and you work in FE.

He got the house because they couldnt let it then, what it's like on that estate now is irrelavant and null and void because if it was a nice place it wouldnt take three years for a swap.

He wont and shouldnt get a house above other needy classes, they are prepared to give them priority for a suitable home near their family and that fulfils their duty in law.

Why is it that you feel the right to rate the OP's opinion as null and void, but then proceed to give a far less informed viewpoint?

dmg24

OP, as well as having a research interest in this area, I have been looking into this exact scenario for myself. I currently own a two bed apartment, but have the agreement of my GP and psychiatrist that a two bed house would be more suitable. The reasoning is the same as with your case - paranoia exacerbated by noise, other people etc.

I am not ready to make an application yet (need to sell this place first!), but have spoken informally with my LA and I would qualify as a Band 2 priority and I would be eligible for a two bed house. It was made clear that I would need a written medical opinion in support of my case.

Whilst it will vary between areas, I have noted that where I am there is far greater availability of this sort of property (especially newer properties) through Housing Associations. If you can get on the LA's housing list, they can refer you on to a HA.

Prinzessilein

I do hope your friend can find suitable accomodation.

Just as a thought - a flat does not necessarily mean a high rise building.

I live in social housing, and technically my place is a 'flat'. However it is a converted house. I have the ground floor, someone else has the upper floor. We each have our own front door - they are completely self-contained and separate properties. I have no neighbours on either side. (It's an end-terrace, so nothing on one side, and my neighbours hallway is between me and the next house.) And I have a little bit of garden too.
(Any yes, I know how lucky I am!)

Maybe if your friend agrees to a 'flat' she could find something similar?
My social-worker wrote a letter to the Housing Office when I was looking for this place. Maybe your frined's social-worker can help in a similar manner?

sunnyone

dmg24 wrote: »

OP, as well as having a research interest in this area, I have been looking into this exact scenario for myself. I currently own a two bed apartment, but have the agreement of my GP and psychiatrist that a two bed house would be more suitable. The reasoning is the same as with your case - paranoia exacerbated by noise, other people etc.

I am not ready to make an application yet (need to sell this place first!), but have spoken informally with my LA and I would qualify as a Band 2 priority and I would be eligible for a two bed house. It was made clear that I would need a written medical opinion in support of my case.

Whilst it will vary between areas, I have noted that where I am there is far greater availability of this sort of property (especially newer properties) through Housing Associations. If you can get on the LA's housing list, they can refer you on to a HA.

Because they have been trying for three years to no avaiale, the reason that they want a house is because they are afraid to leave the house because they feel that they will never get a a house again which isnt a reason for preferantial priority housing and she has no training to demand a house when his treatment team has failed and they are qualified to support the persons claim, my point of view is a valid as anyone elses and after being brought up a a mentally ill mother and speniding many years visiting the big house and living in supported housing with her I have a dam site more insight than the OP who is just starting out as a carer where as I spent the first 25 years of my life doing it full time and the rest part time when she forced me to.

Then of course is my one depression and anixety and my dads alcoholism which I had to live with till he died three years ago.

This is a respnce to 12. not thirteen.

dmg24

sunnyone wrote: »

Because they have been trying for three years to no avaiale, the reason that they want a house is because they are afraid to leave the house because they feel that they will never get a a house again which isnt a reason for preferantial priority housing and she has no training to demand a house when his treatment team has failed and they are qualified to support the persons claim, my point of view is a valid as anyone elses and after being brought up a a mentally ill mother and speniding many years visiting the big house and living in supported housing with her I have a dam site more insight than the OP who is just starting out as a carer where as I spent the first 25 years of my life doing it full time and the rest part time when she forced me to.

Then of course is my one depression and anixety and my dads alcoholism which I had to live with till he died three years ago.

This is a respnce to 12. not thirteen.

Well as you claimed that the OP's opinion was null and void, I trust you expect people to give no more value to yours?

sunnyone

dmg24 wrote: »

Well as you claimed that the OP's opinion was null and void, I trust you expect people to give no more value to yours?

Hers is null and void because she is using the person by refusing to give up the house, she dosent say that they are refusing to give up the house and she is projecting her preferances into the situation and thats plain wrong because that the reason they are stuck in the house three years later, any bets that this person is her significant other?

I have plenty of experiance and she dosnt or she wouldnt be doing whats shes doing, you can see the the condition only and project your own onto this thread as you have already posted and thats not objective and you have not read the posts and actually seen and unserstoud whats been written, I can.

satankidneypie

First of all let clarify:

Yes I dont think they should move to a flat. The suffer does not want to move to a flat regardless of my opinion, they suffer with a mood effective disorder not a learning difficulty. They need help and care not a decision maker.

I've been caring for this person for around 10years. However they/we did not know we were dealing with bipolar until January 11. They had a mixed anxiety depression diagnosis prior to this, and therefore were recieve wrong treatment (which aggrivates the condition). So anything regarding medication and housing prior to this was incorrect/illadvised. The person with Bipolar has a mental health social worker (it was meant to be a CPN, but the CPN cancelled the original appointment and the social worker was available to get the ball rolling with treatment).

For further clarification, the Social Worker agrees a house is a need and the Psychiatric Doctor does also. But the LA clearly dont respect thier proffesional judgement.

FAO sunnyone: you are not a CPN of PDOC so by your own definition you opinion is invalid, you invalidated it yourelf.

Thanks to those whom have made helpfull coments, ill add my thoughts to them in a lil while.;)

satankidneypie

PS im not shacked up with the person im taking about. I dont know were that has came from? Id also like to add Im male.

dmg24

satankidneypie wrote: »

First of all let clarify:

Yes I dont think they should move to a flat. The suffer does not want to move to a flat regardless of my opinion, they suffer with a mood effective disorder not a learning difficulty. They need help and care not a decision maker.

I've been caring for this person for around 10years. However they/we did not know we were dealing with bipolar until January 11. They had a mixed anxiety depression diagnosis prior to this, and therefore were recieve wrong treatment (which aggrivates the condition). So anything regarding medication and housing prior to this was incorrect/illadvised. The person with Bipolar has a mental health social worker (it was meant to be a CPN, but the CPN cancelled the original appointment and the social worker was available to get the ball rolling with treatment).

For further clarification, the Social Worker agrees a house is a need and the Psychiatric Doctor does also. But the LA clearly dont respect thier proffesional judgement.

FAO sunnyone: you are not a CPN of PDOC so by your own definition you opinion is invalid, you invalidated it yourelf.

Thanks to those whom have made helpfull coments, ill add my thoughts to them in a lil while.;)

Your friend is very lucky to have someone like you.

Ignore sunnyone, she cannot get her head around the fact that those with MH conditions can be as 'in need' as those with physical conditions. She also tends to weaken any viewpoint she has by contradicting herself.

satankidneypie

Prinzessilein wrote: »

I do hope your friend can find suitable accomodation.

Just as a thought - a flat does not necessarily mean a high rise building.

I live in social housing, and technically my place is a 'flat'. However it is a converted house. I have the ground floor, someone else has the upper floor. We each have our own front door - they are completely self-contained and separate properties. I have no neighbours on either side. (It's an end-terrace, so nothing on one side, and my neighbours hallway is between me and the next house.) And I have a little bit of garden too.
(Any yes, I know how lucky I am!)

Maybe if your friend agrees to a 'flat' she could find something similar?
My social-worker wrote a letter to the Housing Office when I was looking for this place. Maybe your frined's social-worker can help in a similar manner?

Wow. Your place sounds very good indeed. I went on a bike ride with my Bipolar friend through all of the housing estates near were they would like/need/prefer to be, we couldnt see anything like this. I'll print this out and show it to my friend and see what they think.

As a side not: What I found odd is the flats are are £4 per week more expensive than a 2 bedroom house in the same estate. The town/LA seem to just be odd all round:rotfl:I found that quite amusing, I dont understand the ins and outs of benifits, but i find it bizarre that the HB people would rather pay more for less.

Edit: my friend has got an appointment with a housing support worker tomorrow, so fingers crossed.