Why some people think CarGiant are overpriced rubbish

Flyboy152

bigjl wrote: »

So, you would rather it was hidden inside the cost of the car?

Wow, you're good, you got "rather it was hidden ," from "it is the fact they charge it is the issue." Where did I express a preference to have it hidden?

No dealer in the UK doesn't charge this kind of fee, just some prefer to hide it in the invoice or the profit margin of the car.

Don't worry I am sure CG will survive without your business.

To split the overheads of a business down to its component parts is a cynical attempt at pretending it is optional, the same way RyanUnfair charge for card transactions. What is the point of informing the customer of what it costs to process their transaction? It is not optional, it just reduces the sticker price by a hundred pounds.

Flyboy152

bigjl wrote: »

Would never have a warranty on a car so don't know how much one would cost.

You would never have a car with a warranty? Are you serious?

But I can tell you that Trade Sales in Slough are not owned by the same people, and they never have been.

I never said they were. You seem to reading much more into my posts than is actually there.

It is one bloke, though I would assume he now has others involved, that started The Great Trade Centre, when his small site on the A40 was compulsory purchased he bought all the buildings beside his place in Hythe Road, the other buildings used to belong to Rolls Royce if memory serves, he then iinvested the millions he got for the old site into the business.

You really need to know your facts before posting up things that may considered libelous by some.

I thinkit is you who are getting their facts mixed up.

I have had a car, Renault 25 that needed a new heater matrix, a very expensive job, they replaced it no questions asked, no arguments, no threats, no legal action, two phone calls, this was the forst car I bought there in 1991, so how many cars have you bought there?

I do not need to buy a car to understand their sharp practices. I know enough people who have worked there. I have spoken to many, many of their customers (and the same with Trade Sales). I have listened to the great many tales of woe.


The cars that fall apart whilst driving out of the warehouse only to be told, "ha, your problem now, nothing to do with us."

"But I have this one thousand pound warranty."

"Yeah, but the terms state the car needs to be serviced to qualify, that car has never had a service, so thanks for your one thousand pounds."

A lot of those types of conversations have gone on between their customers and the door bouncers.

Not forgetting the salesmen who have there pay docked, if they get caught by trading standards. The best one was that each deal had a sales surcharge taken off the commission, to pay for legal action against the company. Basically, the individual sales executives had to pay for the lawlessness of their employers.

Flyboy152

bigjl wrote: »

Ex fleet !!!!, almost every car on a used car forecourt is from a fleet so you comment is a bit pointless isn't it.

The wifes Clio didn't have a mark on it, neither did the one at the main dealer, the independant dealer one had a few stone chips though.

I think it is much safer for the less knowledgable to have an option to get a car at near auction prices without the risk, after lots of research over the years I have noticed that recently it is actually difficult to get a half decnt car at auction for less than Car Giant prices, auction prices are certainly getting higher.

Absolute tosh.

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Flyboy152 wrote: »

To split the overheads of a business down to its component parts is a cynical attempt at pretending it is optional, the same way RyanUnfair charge for card transactions. What is the point of informing the customer of what it costs to process their transaction? It is not optional, it just reduces the sticker price by a hundred pounds.

At least you can avoid paying Ryanair card charges, there is no way of avoiding the CG charge for allowing them to flog you some high mileage ex fleet dog.

No doubt we will get the usual reams of text attempting to defend everything that CG do from the OP.

Kilty_2

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Absolute tosh.

Agreed. Last 2 cars were 3 years old and both privately owned from new...........

bigjl

pgilc1 wrote: »

Tell us more about your Renault deal? What miles was on t the car? Is it new model or old model? What year is it?

2006/56 Clio 5 door, 1.5 DCi, Aircon, Full Renault History and printout from lease company, unmarked inside and out, silver, 28k miles so 8 thousand less than the average mileage.

And yes it was cheaper than every other car I found nationally using Autotrader.

The above link to the "bargain" XF doesn't work, so not much of a comparison is it.

Why, would I need a warranty?

I can source a decent car, and check it out properly, any issue in the first six months will be taken care of through the SoG act.

If you want to save money then you can do so, but you have to buy from an auction.

I normally buy from auction these days, but as the wife wanted finance then onto autotrader I went, and got the best deal at CarGiant. £5699 + £91. Yes they tried to sell me a warranty, or rather mechanical breakdown insurance, and yes I declined, has the car caused us any problems? No. Well over £50k on the clock now, just had tyres and front brake pads.

Equivalent cars from Renault maindealers where in the £7500 to £8000 mark, independant traders where up at the high £6k low £7k range.

If you are unable to find such value then I don't mind pointing you in the right direction, isn't that what the forum is for, helping other board members save some money by sharing experiences and good places to buy a bargain.

bigjl

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Absolute tosh.

No, absolute fact.

Where else do you think all these one year old cars in main delar s come from? Thats right contract hire fleets.

Where do you think all the three year old cars come from, thats right, fleets.

Personally I would rather buy a car with a known history that is ex fleet than one that may or may not have been run on a shoestring by a private owner that was struggling to pay for their PCP deal, and was only interested in a cheap new car for three years and had no concern for the car as to them it was purely a consumable that they wanted to spend next to nothing on.

You can do what you want though, good luck with that.

bigjl

Gandalfthesecond wrote: »

Ex fleet by the look of it.

Indeed, as where two of the Clios that I looked at, one at a main dealer, one at an independant.


Why, EXACTLY, is a privately owned car better than one maintained under a full maintenance lease deal.

One is more likely to have maintenance ignored as trade in time approaches, the other is serviced as per the manufacturer, as the maintenance is paid for, the user wants to get value for their money.



I take it you have noticed the number of cars that CarGiant sell that have been serviced in the last few thousand miles?



Funny thing is, the wife was offered £4850 for her car on trade in a few weeks ago, she wants one of those Juke/Puke things, not bad for 26k miles useage, depreciation of under £1000.

If the equivalent car was bought from a main dealer for the listed £7500-£8000 then the depreciation over the same period would have been £2650 to £3150.

Are you seriously saying your position is Money Saving.

Feel free to buy from main dealer, not goung to say don't do it, but seriously try for a second to compare like with like rather than just spouting uninformed drivel.

If you don't agree with my opinion then don't read it, or better still actually post an alternative, rather than just !!!!!ing an moaning and using the only backup for your argument is a load of internet rumour posted up from people that don't know the difference between a light bulb and a tyre, then taking their opinion as gospels because you go it from Google or from HonestJohn.

There are several people that post on threads like this, and yes I did start the thread expecting the exact same responces that I got.

Call it an experiment in human behaviour.

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Predictable.

Yawn..... just more CG promotion as usual.

Oh and as far as " Why, EXACTLY, is a privately owned car better than one maintained under a full maintenance lease deal. " goes.


Erm ...it may be something related to a financial interest by the owner.

bigjl

Flyboy152 wrote: »

You would never have a car with a warranty? Are you serious?



I never said they were. You seem to reading much more into my posts than is actually there.



I do not need to buy a car to understand their sharp practices. I know enough people who have worked there. I have spoken to many, many of their customers (and the same with Trade Sales). I have listened to the great many tales of woe.


The cars that fall apart whilst driving out of the warehouse only to be told, "ha, your problem now, nothing to do with us."

"But I have this one thousand pound warranty."

"Yeah, but the terms state the car needs to be serviced to qualify, that car has never had a service, so thanks for your one thousand pounds."

A lot of those types of conversations have gone on between their customers and the door bouncers.

Not forgetting the salesmen who have there pay docked, if they get caught by trading standards. The best one was that each deal had a sales surcharge taken off the commission, to pay for legal action against the company. Basically, the individual sales executives had to pay for the lawlessness of their employers.

You mate are confusing Trade Sales and CarGiant, the reason they changed the name was just to stop uninformed people like yourself from thinking that are the same company, how many times do I have to say that I would never ercommend buying a car from Trade Sales, they have been fined by trading standards before and I wouldn't ever buy from them.

And obviously a sacked member of staff is a very reliable witness to how a company works.

At the end of the day they have been going for about 25 years, they have survived more than one economic down turn.

Funnily enough the people I know that have relative that work there have never seen any of the practices that you talk about, but lets not forget that people buy the wrong car all the time, or they break it through ingorance, and every time the dealer is too blame.

When you consider the simple numbers a dealer that sells as many cars as CarGaint is going to deal with more than its fair share of knobs, numpties and customers that make up for any lack of mechanical knowledge and mechanical sympathy with an ability to be a pain in the !!!! that posts revoews on various uninformed webpages.


You are free to disagree with my opinion, but where is your recommendation, where is your better choice?

It is fine to disagree, but if your disagreement has no foundation then it is pointless.

Opinion without experience is not worth anything.

Is it my fault that myself and loads of my mates and various work colleagues over the years have bought many, many cars from CarGiant, then put huge mileages on them with little if any mechanical problems?

I can only comment on what I have seen and experienced.