New Comps Board Guidelines Discussion

fire**fly

purplecatlover wrote: »

we are back to where we where before hte discussion that began over a week ago which led to the current poll.

i give up and am hvaing no more input on this any which way.

i would love to go back to "how it was 6mths ago" except more like 9 or 10 months ago where regular comps were posted on regs board and were NOT DUPED on main because they were "hidden away" and lost on regs.

where ongoing regular comps had one thread that was updated with new answer except in a few cases.

where when bgs merged dupes into an ongoing thread, or moved it to regs because it was a regular comp they didnt get moaned at to the point that they couldnt be bothered to move things anymore!

where it didnt depend on who was posting as to how things got posted (with a few exceptions ), the stickys were maintainable without requiring the replacing of existing links every day or week or month woth a new link to a new thread...whast the point of that?

to be honest i think maintaining list of all sites will be redundant. if people dont have tiome to click onto reg forum they surely dont have time to click into a sticky, search for the comp and see if its been posted or not that month (or week or day) and then post it if not.

every single compromise thats been suggested or attempted has been shot down and beaten upon....it seems people want all on main and forget about regs totally so i go back to my previous stanse. in the interests of keeping it simple and having one rule instead of many post absolutely every single comp in a new thread. that includes all daily answer and entry required, postals, tab and puzzler comps.

OR allow dailies to be ongoing threads, but that applies to ALL dailies, doesnt leave exceptions for ones that are "not really a daily" however having all weeklies and all monthlies as new posts includes all those in puzzler and tab threads, most are weekly or monthly issue and quite a lot of the postals.

or we agree that tab puzzler postals and dailies can stay as ongoing threads buy everything else is anew post.

i dont care any which way now to be honest, i simply want rules that apply to all the same type of comps so we dont have poster one posted this so even though on the site its called a weekly comp they want it new each weeka dn poster two posted this one so its an ongoing and updated thread each week.

perhaps those of you who where here when regs board was introduced can tell us why it was wanted in the first place? i wasnt here so i have no idea.

good luck trying to sort something. i will live with whatever, so long as the rules are clear and consistant! which "how it was" they are not!

eta: i think it was immortal beloved who pointed out that many comps would still ahve fallen under the irregular and thus couldnt be treated as a reg

'' new posts includes all those in puzzler and tab threads, most are weekly or monthly issue and quite a lot of the postals.''


hiya, if the puzzler ones were all separate posts then it would be very hard to follow through on the issues numbers & cross posts as they sometimes include the puzzles in another issue so it would be 2 posts instead of one,
one here for example..

#364

luckily enough i post the both mags, but if a new op or a newbie
didn't know we did these on a reg basis with peeps who subscribe/buy the mags & they did random postings with them it would mean the comps are being posted twice,

in the summer they do this on a regular basis to cross over with the mags, unless you actually buy the magazines on a regular basis/subscribe most peeps wouldn't know as you have to check the mags,
the only way other to tell is if someone has posted the diff mag but the same comp as it would be ticked for you,so therefore the reg poster/random poster would be wasting thier time typing out all the details, paying for the mag,

these comps need to be kept together,

if you search right back you'll find the puzzler threads were full of 'i've entered this one' or this one has been done' etc (before 2007)

princessmoneysaver used to run them in colour coordination to make it easier for peeps to follow through but unfortunately pms
finished doing the thread hence, i took it on,

the tab puzzler is the same, if we have random posters/separate posts the regular ops on here who offer to post them on a reg basis would be wasting their time & money subscribing/paying for the mags,

it makes sense for magazine postings which ops pay for to be kept on a regular thread with the names of the ops to save cross postings,

this works very well also on the postals comps as regular visitors/members/newbies soon find the 1st page in which you can find the list of names who contribute to the mag postings,
if any one new usually posts by mistake it's soon caught on by a reg to directs them to the 1st page,

it's been said so many times on here since the postals/texts/puzzlers threads were first started, the mag postings are different from the email/web/etc comps posted in main/regs/etc,

hth explaining

beffffff

Can people just think about this please.

It's really not JUST the WHERE. It's also the WHO and the HOW.

If we want monthlies (and maybe weeklies) posted on main as new posts each week/month that is 500+ comps EACH MONTH to add to main ON TOP of the ones already on there. Because the ones on main generally (there is an exception of end dated regular comps) are not comps that are posted as ongoing thread comps and added to the sticky.

I get that people don't want to click to regulars (although admittedly I don't get why this is such a big problem). But if we just get rid of ongoing regular d/w threads we get rid of the d/w stickies too. Because we can't expect Gilla/PPD to change the links each week/month as soon as they are posted so we don't dupe. That isn't fair on them!

So how do we make sure we don't start losing comps left right and centre? How do we decide who posts what, or is it just a free for all? Lucky old BGs with all the merges each w/m

Is it really fair that we put added responsibility to post all the w/m stickied comps each and every month on the same handful of people while we all take, take, take, just to save us a click or two?

We can't just say right, all m/w comps get posted each m/w on main without seriously thinking about how we are going to do this. Because if we do the next complaint will be that people are having less comps to enter because loads are being forgotten

toniq

Back when I started comping Kipper(a bg) was very prevalent on the board, she kept a tight rein and she would in seconds of a comp being wrongly posted move it to the right place, you could rarely ask her for a dupe merge as she had already done it before you had finished typing, so we had the order of following Kippers lead x
We didn't need to figure where things went we just asked kipper and she put it where she thought it belonged xxx

I fully understand bg's have a real life and can't be as hands on as kipper was, I'm just explaining what happened 3 and half years ago xxx

purplecatlover

thanks toni for answering me,

i guess the simple difference is that bgs enforced the rules (as they interpreted them) and they were not argued or moaned at, and where not accused of hiding things away in regs as they have been certainly over the past year to 18mths ive been regularly here.

korkythekat wrote: »

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hiya, if the puzzler ones were all separate posts then it would be very hard to follow through on the issues numbers & cross posts as they sometimes include the puzzles in another issue so it would be 2 posts instead of one,
one here for example..

#364

luckily enough i post the both mags, but if a new op or a newbie
didn't know we did these on a reg basis with peeps who subscribe/buy the mags & they did random postings with them it would mean the comps are being posted twice,

in the summer they do this on a regular basis to cross over with the mags, unless you actually buy the magazines on a regular basis/subscribe most peeps wouldn't know as you have to check the mags,
the only way other to tell is if someone has posted the diff mag but the same comp as it would be ticked for you,so therefore the reg poster/random poster would be wasting thier time typing out all the details, paying for the mag,

these comps need to be kept together,

if you search right back you'll find the puzzler threads were full of 'i've entered this one' or this one has been done' etc (before 2007)

princessmoneysaver used to run them in colour coordination to make it easier for peeps to follow through but unfortunately pms
finished doing the thread hence, i took it on,

the tab puzzler is the same, if we have random posters/separate posts the regular ops on here who offer to post them on a reg basis would be wasting their time & money subscribing/paying for the mags,

it makes sense for magazine postings which ops pay for to be kept on a regular thread with the names of the ops to save cross postings,

this works very well also on the postals comps as regular visitors/members/newbies soon find the 1st page in which you can find the list of names who contribute to the mag postings,
if any one new usually posts by mistake it's soon caught on by a reg to directs them to the 1st page,

it's been said so many times on here since the postals/texts/puzzlers threads were first started, the mag postings are different from the email/web/etc comps posted in main/regs/etc,

hth explaining

thanks korky, that helps some

dont get me wrong btw, personally i love the threads, its fab to be able to gather all my postal suppplies and catch up on 4-5 pages of postals at once then put them away for a day or two. its great to be able to log into puzzler once and go and catch up on a page or 3 of new replies at once without having to go away form the site then go back when i find another one a page or two later amid comps on main.

i know puzzler often run one comp across a few of the mags, i can see how its far easier to search one thread to see if its already posted than search the whole of main board. if tab are the same then ok to that one as well.

what i still dont understand
1. why are the other mag (and newspaper i guess) comps not posted the same way? the ones that require people to buy them to post. why are the weekly and special tabs not included in the tab thread?

2. we have lists of those posters, but nowhere is there a list of who posts those comps each week that dont go in any of those 3 threads? ive been around long enough to know that hjb posts tab and chat weekly, but a newbie might not. why are they different?

ill say again, i love the ongoing threads, i love the regular stickies and i love the fact that by doing those threads theres up to 500 ish comps a month i dont have to filter through on main, so instead of e 31/03 being 70 pages there are only 50 pages. but ill deal with whatever so long as the same rules are applied to all:cool:

beff until people actually physically see the reality, which includes all 300 odd threads from monthlies being posted on main and increasing the volume of comps over here and lots being missed out some months there is not going to be any seeing of the big picture

fire**fly

purplecatlover wrote: »

thanks korky, that helps some

dont get me wrong btw, personally i love the threads, its fab to be able to gather all my postal suppplies and catch up on 4-5 pages of postals at once then put them away for a day or two. its great to be able to log into puzzler once and go and catch up on a page or 3 of new replies at once without having to go away form the site then go back when i find another one a page or two later amid comps on main.

i know puzzler often run one comp across a few of the mags, i can see how its far easier to search one thread to see if its already posted than search the whole of main board. if tab are the same then ok to that one as well.

what i still dont understand
1. why are the other mag (and newspaper i guess) comps not posted the same way? the ones that require people to buy them to post. why are the weekly and special tabs not included in the tab thread?

2. we have lists of those posters, but nowhere is there a list of who posts those comps each week that dont go in any of those 3 threads? ive been around long enough to know that hjb posts tab and chat weekly, but a newbie might not. why are they different?

''why are the other mag (and newspaper i guess) comps not posted the same way? the ones that require people to buy them to post. why are the weekly and special tabs not included in the tab thread?''


there's 2 different sites on the tabs,

this one is the reg weekly ones but it includes the Fiction Feast i post every month & the specials that kirsty took over from me to post,

http://www.takeabreak.co.uk/competitions

the other tab ones are
puzzlemagazines monthly

http://www.puzzlemagazines.co.uk/home

2 diff sites but from the same mag publishers,


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''ive been around long enough to know that hjb posts tab and chat weekly, but a newbie might not. why are they different?''


hjb used to post the Real People only, melvis has just took over from her

it's tttjay

Find all threads started by tttJay

who posts the weekly Chat & Take a Break puzzles

SpeedyGonzalis

It strikes me that the same conversation has been going round in circles for months and nothing has changed!

purplecatlover

one more reason for not expecting gilla and ppd to add links to a brand new thread each time..today when i did my weeklies the old link for the tv new comp was in there at the top of the list, and a bit further down was the new link...or was that the other way round which would make more sense? anyway there were 2 links to the same comp in there (not including the separate twitter weekly tv news comp yet). that could get to being a nightmare if it happened with more than one or two threads;) (and to make it clear i wouldnt expect gilla to pay attention to the fact that she is adding the same comp a second time, she adds what she is asked to and removes expired links when they pass end date or she is told they are expired which is the most i personally would expect of her, or ppd for that matter.)

korkythekat wrote: »

''why are the other mag (and newspaper i guess) comps not posted the same way? the ones that require people to buy them to post. why are the weekly and special tabs not included in the tab thread?''


there's 2 different sites on the tabs,

this one is the reg weekly ones but it includes the Fiction Feast i post every month & the specials that kirsty took over from me to post,

http://www.takeabreak.co.uk/competitions

the other tab ones are
puzzlemagazines monthly

http://www.puzzlemagazines.co.uk/home

2 diff sites but from the same mag publishers,


..................


''ive been around long enough to know that hjb posts tab and chat weekly, but a newbie might not. why are they different?''


hjb used to post the Real People only, melvis has just took over from her

it's tttjay

Find all threads started by tttJay

who posts the weekly Chat & Take a Break puzzles

i see, thank you
and yep i meant ttjay, im glad someone is on the ball to correct me

(maybe you see why i hate for things to be in both ongoing and duped on main? even when i think ive remembered correctly im wrong! i have no chance of remembering ive entered a comp via the stickies by the time i find it on main :rotfl: but thats beside the point)

i do think we should have a list somewhere of who posts the weekly mags in new threads on main, because those people also subscribe or buy them specially i think?

SpeedyGonzalis wrote: »

It strikes me that the same conversation has been going round in circles for months and nothing has changed!

yep, and every time something has been tried to implement change it comes back to going round in circles again! (andreas polls, attempts at compromise with linking threads, attempts to get an agreement by discussions, andreas last set of guidelines, this poll.....recurring theme!)

comping_cat

i do think we should have a list somewhere of who posts the weekly mags in new threads on main, because those people also subscribe or buy them specially i think?


For both the magazine threads on the main board there is a list of who posts them in the OP.

Mamzie

Korky, I did add a special point (11) explaining about the mags being posted differently in the guidelines, and pointed out about postals in point 1, after you and a few others explained the to me.

Do you think it would be worthwhile mentioning the poll and this thread in those threads please? I don't use them much, so don't know if that would help or not.

purplecatlover

comping_cat wrote: »

For both the magazine threads on the main board there is a list of who posts them in the OP.

yeh for the puzzler and tab threads and the postals the list is in the relevant op. is there a list of the others? like ttj does weekly tab, melvis now does real people, korky does special tabs? theyre not in ongoing threads to have a list in an op.

i may well be missing an obvious list somewhere though, i wouldnt put it past me to have seen one at some point and not remembered to look again :rotfl: