New Comps Board Guidelines Discussion

purplecatlover

SpeedyGonzalis wrote: »

Maybe it's time to leave it then. The boards are a list of comps which you can either enter or not enter - it doesn't have to be complicated!

But it is complicated. There are all these unwritten rules that must be followed to post a comp. Then there are all the not really a reg comps that are posted differently than other reg comps that appear the same, and if you get it wrong there are plenty ready to point that out, and moan that its in the wrong place or hidden in regulars board. Then there are the "cop police" too......so really its a very complicated matter to try and figure out what should be where, avoid duping your entries because that comp is posted more than once in more than one place, avoid making mistakes and being yelled at. not a thing simple there. will be much less simple if there are written rules to follow instead of being expected to know them all and get them right, even if your a newbie

purplecatlover

korkythekat wrote: »

not sure if it would work for having all the weekly mags in one thread,

perhaps have a poll for the magazine regular posters only to see if they want it changed ?


as said the main board email/web comps are a free for all as we all get the newsletters/ so it's the first to post , but with mag comps we pay for them to share on here so maybe it's up to the mag posters to decide how to post the comps ?

it certainly wouldnt work having them all in one thread, certainly not all in the same thread:o that would be way too complicated and confusing. how they are posted is a separate issue

yeah the mag comps are not a free for all, i thought that there were some mags/papers that dont have postal comps normally so are really only email. not sure if your missunderstanding me, trying to explain extra things or im just not being clear;) if for example the tab weekly mag is posted on main every week as its and online comp. where does it say this mag is posted by this person and mag comps, even those that go on main are not the free for all that the rest of the comps on main are?

the list in postals = who posts the postal mags, which probably overlaps some with those on main but how are newbies meant to find that? how long does it take someone to find the postal thread? how long does it take for them to decide ok i might send a few postcards lets see what the postal thread is all about and read it? how mnay people never actually look at the first post in postal to see who posts what mag on main.

dont worry about replying again korky i was merely trying to suggest that a list somewhere, easily findable, pointing out that mag comps on main are not the free for all the rest of comps on main and regs are, and are posted by specific people. i guess we should also add itv comps to that list too to make it very clear they also are not a free for all :cool: its an issue ive seen comp up a few times where some one else has posted havign been expected to know the unwritten rule that mag and itv comps are excepted from the free for all that main is

comping_cat

Would it be a better idea for the 4 Board Guides to maybe look at the rules, what is practical for them to police and let them decide because they are the ones who have to impliment any changes.

Maybe they could also sound out the 3 members who look after the daily, weekly and monthly stickies to see what they can/cant do and if necessary even do away with some of those stickies (judging by what i have read, it looks like 2 of them might not be needed).

My problem with this debate and the poll is that it seams to be just a few people trying to decide what should happen - when i looked at the poll only 62 people had voted and so if anything changed, it would be based on a few rather than the majority.

As i said, any changes (or even if everything is left as they are now) have to be carried out by the Board Guides so i think they should be the ones to decide.

purplecatlover

emiai wrote: »

Isn't the idea of these changes to make it easier on the mods, not to create more work?

Looks to me like more threads will be moved to regs and more lists are going to be created, taking already 'regular appearing competitions' from the main board. (IE mentioned above the sun buzz & ITV.)

There are often threads in the regular section which have expired and are not removed from the sticky, and some are repeated links to the same comp. (As quoted somewhere above) So even that system can be confusing and can result in double entries.

its a little unfair to expect the reg sticky maintainers to add and remove links they are told are expired, search out any regs they know of that should have had a new thread, add those, find all those that have been running for a while and this expired and remove them without being told that they have expired

id say its also a bit unfair to expect the maintainers to know that the comp person y has just told them about is the same as or replaces the one that person x gave them and thus is already in the sticky unless they are told, especially if its a dupe post and the lists are long

princess_pixiedust wrote: »

Sorry but i just find this too complicated and i hated the change from the poll last time, all regs should be on the regs board and this has made a lot of work for me on the monthly sticky, before majority of reg monthly comps were added as single posts in the reg thread and i then used to go through the regs and then add all the monthlies onto sticky, now they are all over the place! as barely anyone send me links to monthlies on main board which means those that work through the sticky are missing out

also i just dont have the time to go through the monthly sticky all the time to check to see if there might be expired comps, its only when someone moans there is a closed comp that i know of it as again barely anyone lets me know, only a few actually let me know

i have tried to read up on what people want changing and im still unsure, sorry but if this means more work for the monthly sticky then i cant do it, i will have to hand over to someone else who has more time on their hands, i already have loads to do with the postal thread and for the past month or so i am even struggling to find the time to comp at all

I am not voting on the poll as im just getting fed up with all this discussion that keeps going on and on and on all the time, there was nothing wrong with things they way it was before, only cause a few moaned that they thought comps were being hidden in regs? easy solution - click on regs! simples

couldnt agree more with you over it being unfair to ask you to undertake anythign that means more work, same for gilla which is why my repeated stanze had been it is very unfair to expext links to be changed to a new thread every single week or month which is what would be required to maintain a monthly sticky with active links to threads that are posted newly each month instead of to one thread in regs that is updated each month :cool:

the issues before where that people were posting comps from regs on main and thus duping them with no regard for if they were in reg stickies or now and thus the people who do use those risked entering too many times.

fraid not voting isnt going to help matters :(because i cant see this discussion finally ending until we get a clear majority so we can have written instructions for what to post where and how to decide if its ongoing and thus can be linked in a sticky thread or not. somethign consistant so its not a case of person a says this is a rega nd posts it in regs and links in sticky but person b comes along and says its not ongoing because it has a new end date every d/w/m and posts it on main.

it has gone on far too long, and everyone is getting well fed up with it, so the sooner everyone can come to an overall majority and/or overall agreement the better! but like i said before all attempts at that over the last 6mths have failed!

One-Eye

Mamzie wrote: »

Please read point 1 of the proposed guidelines on Post 3 of this thread, in conjuction with the poll. that explains where all the single entry and Reg d/w/m entry End Date comps like Sun, Buzz, Waitrose, etc will be going....

I think that One Eye has slightly confused things a little. We are ONLY voting on how to define what is an ONGOING comp... Where End Date comps go has already been decided, hth, xxx

We are NOT voting on how to define ONGOING comps. We are voting for or against a proposal to post ALL ONGOING promotions on regulars. The definition is "These are competitions with no apparent Promotion End date, but which hold a regular daily/weekly/monthly competition"

All the following competitions that are currently posted each week/month as an individual competition on main have no promotion end date and hold a regular weekly/monthly competition.

Waitrose
Sunbuzz Crossword
Sunbuzz Wordsearch
Silver Creek Villas
Telegraph Where In The World
Observer Viewfinder
Independent Jumbo crossword
TV News win movies
Jelly Belly Bean World
Hornby
Brook Taverner
Green & Spring
fuk.co.uk
Tic Watches
Zandra Rhodes handbag

ITV on screen comps from a series which ends after a short run (The Chase, Dancing on Ice, Push The Button etc.) have a promotion end date at the end of the series so are not ongoing, but Loose Women, This Morning, Daybreak are weekly and ongoing.

Puzzler and the T-A-B puzzle magazines shouldn't really be considered in debates about regulars as they don't fall into weekly or monthly classification. The more popular ones (eg. Puzzler, Kriss Kross) have 13 issues/year and others are even more irregular (Arroword Selection - 9 issues/year; Quiz Kids - 6 issues/year; Brain Trainer - 2 issues/year).

The same can not be said for the weekly magazines (Chat, Full House, Pick Me Up, Real People, Take A Break, That's Life, TV Choice) which meet the criteria as ongoing weeklies under the proposal we are voting on.

purplecatlover

comping_cat wrote: »

Would it be a better idea for the 4 Board Guides to maybe look at the rules, what is practical for them to police and let them decide because they are the ones who have to impliment any changes.

Maybe they could also sound out the 3 members who look after the daily, weekly and monthly stickies to see what they can/cant do and if necessary even do away with some of those stickies (judging by what i have read, it looks like 2 of them might not be needed).

My problem with this debate and the poll is that it seams to be just a few people trying to decide what should happen - when i looked at the poll only 62 people had voted and so if anything changed, it would be based on a few rather than the majority.

As i said, any changes (or even if everything is left as they are now) have to be carried out by the Board Guides so i think they should be the ones to decide.

the trouble is that when the boar guides were enforcing the rules as they saw them there were a lot of complaints raised that that was not what people wanted. they got moaned at for moving stuff, moaned at for not moving stuff, told they were doing it wrong etc etc. with nothing written what are they supposed to point to and say this is what the rule says so thats what i am doing?

it would be much easier if they could just say here are the rules, this is what they mean, and this is what we will enforce.

any ideas how we can get more people to vote? or how else we can get a set of guidelines with a clear majority acceptance?

the other suggestion is to run a minimum of 9 polls, one for each type of regular comp and then have a DIFFERENT ruling for each type of reg comp, eg. one rule for daily prize draws, a different rule for can be entered daily but one prize draw at end, sme for weekly and same for monthly, though there are also a few more types of weekly/monthly comps what with newseltter signups etc.

iwannabeonthebeach

comping_cat wrote: »

Would it be a better idea for the 4 Board Guides to maybe look at the rules, what is practical for them to police and let them decide because they are the ones who have to impliment any changes.

Maybe they could also sound out the 3 members who look after the daily, weekly and monthly stickies to see what they can/cant do and if necessary even do away with some of those stickies (judging by what i have read, it looks like 2 of them might not be needed).

My problem with this debate and the poll is that it seams to be just a few people trying to decide what should happen - when i looked at the poll only 62 people had voted and so if anything changed, it would be based on a few rather than the majority.

As i said, any changes (or even if everything is left as they are now) have to be carried out by the Board Guides so i think they should be the ones to decide.

Agree 100%.

comping_cat

purplecatlover wrote: »

the trouble is that when the boar guides were enforcing the rules as they saw them there were a lot of complaints raised that that was not what people wanted. they got moaned at for moving stuff, moaned at for not moving stuff, told they were doing it wrong etc etc. with nothing written what are they supposed to point to and say this is what the rule says so thats what i am doing?

it would be much easier if they could just say here are the rules, this is what they mean, and this is what we will enforce.

any ideas how we can get more people to vote? or how else we can get a set of guidelines with a clear majority acceptance?

the other suggestion is to run a minimum of 9 polls, one for each type of regular comp and then have a DIFFERENT ruling for each type of reg comp, eg. one rule for daily prize draws, a different rule for can be entered daily but one prize draw at end, sme for weekly and same for monthly, though there are also a few more types of weekly/monthly comps what with newseltter signups etc.

I dont think you will be able to get more people to vote or discuss, because people just dont have the time. they want to come here and enter competitions.

My idea about the 4 BGs sorting out between themselves what they can work with would be the fairest way all round. They cannot please everyone, but like i said, if they decide what they can work with, put that down as the rules and stick to it.

You can have as many polls as you like, you will still get the same people voting and discussing, and from what i can see, it will carry on going round and round with not much getting done, or a small minority of people complaining still.

The same people who are unhappy now will still be unhappy unless they get their way - there is nothing we can do about that.

Whatever changes are made have to keep the board running smoothly and simply - if the BGs have written/discussed the rules together they will all be working from the same sheet and so should reduce/stop the problems that happened before.

I know what i would like, but its not the same as everyone else, and i would not be the one in charge of making sure it happens, so unless someone can come up with a way of pleasing everyone, which from this and previous discussions is very obviously not going to happen then i say LET THE BOARD GUIDES DECIDE!

bargainhuntergal

Just to clarify as it seems to have got lost in translation from my post (or maybe it was in someone elses suggestion? I'm not sure?)

When I was saying about posting each week/month, I wouldn't for one second expect anyone to change a link in either of those stickies each time to the current thread on the main board, as I know how much time it takes to even just add the new ones that are posted at the moment.

I don't think there would be a need for it as if everything was posted separately regardless of entering as things are posted or by end date you'd catch them all without missing draws?

As I understood it, and I might be totally wrong , but from recent discussions the main people that use the stickies are people that enter by end date? (As people that enter as things are posted said they bookmarked as they come across things rather than use the threads?) But if everything has it's own end date, a sticky with a link to a thread wouldn't really be needed as it would be naturally filtered out with all the other comps?

That's why I suggested the stickies being a list of sites (maybe prize types if the same type each time) and a plain text URL (direct to the page on the site where the comp is located) so it's easy to C&P into the MSE search to see if the current one is posted? (If this was needed at any point I wouldn't mind helping out to set it up so less work for sticky maintainers)

I know it was mentioned about finding posters for these comps, but wouldn't it really be the same as how the other sites that get posted on main work at the minute? People post from the same sites each time, or try to, so they'd get naturally integrated? (I would also give other people a chance to take on some sites not already taken, maybe?)

But that said, I did vote 'Yes' and I'll be happy with whatever is chosen, I'll just adapt to it!

toniq

princess_pixiedust wrote: »

Sorry but i just find this too complicated and i hated the change from the poll last time, all regs should be on the regs board and this has made a lot of work for me on the monthly sticky, before majority of reg monthly comps were added as single posts in the reg thread and i then used to go through the regs and then add all the monthlies onto sticky, now they are all over the place! as barely anyone send me links to monthlies on main board which means those that work through the sticky are missing out

also i just dont have the time to go through the monthly sticky all the time to check to see if there might be expired comps, its only when someone moans there is a closed comp that i know of it as again barely anyone lets me know, only a few actually let me know

i have tried to read up on what people want changing and im still unsure, sorry but if this means more work for the monthly sticky then i cant do it, i will have to hand over to someone else who has more time on their hands, i already have loads to do with the postal thread and for the past month or so i am even struggling to find the time to comp at all

I am not voting on the poll as im just getting fed up with all this discussion that keeps going on and on and on all the time, there was nothing wrong with things they way it was before, only cause a few moaned that they thought comps were being hidden in regs? easy solution - click on regs! simples

Yes!!!:T:T:T

comping_cat wrote: »

I dont think you will be able to get more people to vote or discuss, because people just dont have the time. they want to come here and enter competitions.

My idea about the 4 BGs sorting out between themselves what they can work with would be the fairest way all round. They cannot please everyone, but like i said, if they decide what they can work with, put that down as the rules and stick to it.

You can have as many polls as you like, you will still get the same people voting and discussing, and from what i can see, it will carry on going round and round with not much getting done, or a small minority of people complaining still.

The same people who are unhappy now will still be unhappy unless they get their way - there is nothing we can do about that.

Whatever changes are made have to keep the board running smoothly and simply - if the BGs have written/discussed the rules together they will all be working from the same sheet and so should reduce/stop the problems that happened before.

I know what i would like, but its not the same as everyone else, and i would not be the one in charge of making sure it happens, so unless someone can come up with a way of pleasing everyone, which from this and previous discussions is very obviously not going to happen then i say LET THE BOARD GUIDES DECIDE!

And another Yes!:T:T:T xxxxx