Ban Kids On Flights

dickydonkin

Hastobe_Katt wrote: »

As an aside - you really, really don't get it do you, Murphy?? If a child has kicked the seat repeatedly and been ignored by parents, then after the parents have been asked and responded with expletives...it is still not a parenting issue but a lack of perseverance on the part of the the person being kicked for not escalating this to the cabin staff?
Edit - I would just add that a colleague, who has lived in Switzerland for the last six years, told of coming back to the UK earlier this year and seeing a child repeatedly hitting an animal with a stick. He went over to chastise the child and was immediately confronted by the child's parents 'effing and blinding' and telling him to leave their kid alone and mind his own business. His reaction - 'welcome back to the UK'. In Switzerland he would have been thanked by the child's parents.

So using your reasoning, some people might ask why your colleague did not 'persevere' and 'escalate' the situation by reporting animal cruelty to the RSPCA or the police.

Hastobe_Katt

I think my colleague was right - there are some seriously screwed up views on parenting and what constitutes polite behaviour in the UK. TG we are moving abroad in a couple of years!

no.10

Having travelled on plenty of flights with my young daughter, when I hear a baby/young child start I feel three emotions.

1. Sympathy, I've been there
2. Relief, that it's not me having to deal with it
3. Amusement, that the child-less will be huffing and tutting like it's the end of the world

Seriously, if the worst that happens is a bit of noise for 30 mins on a flight followed by a week of doing exctly what you want when you want then be grateful. That parent will be having a 'holiday' that you can't even begin to imagine.

jen_br

After the age of 2 parents pay a lot of money for their children to fly-- If i have to put up with the snoring adult or the guy who laughs outloud when watching a movie... or is too big to fit in the seat-- or farts near me.

Then why shouldjn't you have to put up with my kid. If you want "uninterupted service" then fly private-- go first class-- or pay for a private jet.

Who do you think you are on your high horse saying "children shouldn't be on flights" I have been on flights with adults who can't keep their comments ot themselves or are rowdy rude and arrogant. Sure obsessive kicking is something that can be dealt with. But my son was sleeping on a flight and rotated on the seat kicking the seat infront of him ONCE the woman turned around and had a right go at me. I toldher where to go and im glad the FA agreed. and rolled her eyes at the woman.

Some people have ZERO patience.

Ive travelled with my child on many of flights -- sometimes he is fantastic other times he is hard work.

We were ALL children once and not all kids can express their frustration on a flight so they cry.

But then again whats the excuse of the 40 year old who tells off the airhostess for running out of vodka?

Edit to add: How many people on flights have seen a single parent with a crying kid and instead of complaining offered to help?

Hastobe_Katt

I don't think most people mind the scenarios described in the last couple of posts and, having been in the same boat when their own children were young, probably have great sympathy. It's the persistently badly behaved children that are ignored by their parents that drive me up the wall.

Last time we flew two young teens walked into the boarding area and promptly sat on the two seats reserved for disabled passengers (obscuring the sign on the back of the chair). Neither offered to move when a very elderly gentleman using walking aids was left standing. (Though, to be honest, there are many adults who I have seen do the same). A bit like the shoving and pushing to board on the economy airlines regardless who you elbow out of your way.

jamespir

i think we should ban those who moan about kids on a flight instead problem solved

Hastobe_Katt

jen_br wrote: »

If you want "uninterupted service" then fly private-- go first class-- or pay for a private jet.

Actually private jets sound exotic but are worse than Ryanair. The only plus is that they may be more convenient as you don't have to travel to a large airport and have the 2 hours hanging about. Imagine several of you crammed into a space the size of a small caravan, with the travelling sensation of being on Nemesis and you get the picture.

Traincrashing

I would honestly much rather be sat beside a misbehaving child than an annoying, loud, fat adult. A child will eventually calm down, and maybe go to sleep on a long flight, that adult will just be annoying the whole time because they're older and therefore think they're allowed to behave whatever way they want.

Murphy_The_Cat

Hastobe_Katt wrote: »

As an aside - you really, really don't get it do you, Murphy?? If a child has kicked the seat repeatedly and been ignored by parents, then after the parents have been asked and responded with expletives...it is still not a parenting issue but a lack of perseverance on the part of the the person being kicked for not escalating this to the cabin staff? I really hope I never get to share a flight with you and your children! Maybe this is why you like to sit next to your kids...because you know that all the surrounding seats will empty within minutes of the fasten seat belts sign being switched off!
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Oh I get it. I get it absolutely 100%.
Thankfully, when I ask someone to do something, it nearly always gets done, in a timely fashion, with a smile and a thank you from me.
It must be down to my natural charm, wit, manners & way with words.
As for sharing a flight with my children and I - I wouldn't know if we have ever had the pleasure. We're to busy enjoying the flight, each others company and the shared experience of a foreign holiday to be bothering other people.

Hastobe_Katt wrote: »

I think my colleague was right - there are some seriously screwed up views on parenting and what constitutes polite behaviour in the UK. TG we are moving abroad in a couple of years!

I'm pleased that we can both agree on something. Would you like a contribution to hasten your departure ?

Don't let the door catch your bottom on the way out

Inactive

Traincrashing wrote: »

I would honestly much rather be sat beside a misbehaving child than an annoying, loud, fat adult. A child will eventually calm down, and maybe go to sleep on a long flight, that adult will just be annoying the whole time because they're older and therefore think they're allowed to behave whatever way they want.

That describes most of the parents of these unruly brats.