Clairvoyant evening please help!

meritaten

crystaltipps wrote: »

There is NO empirical evidence. Not a jot.

They believe because you believe as do their family, and, like religion, they are being brought up to believe what the family believes. Its inherited like language.

Remember your statement when you next need the wonder drugs that are antibiotics, painkillers and the like. Never mind contraception. Three of the biggest world changing developments. Tell the people that are alive because of anti-retro viral drugs or cancer research how 'wonder drugs' are killers. Or the researchers that have genetically modified rice to be vitamin A rich, and therefore have the capability of preventing about 500,000 child deaths a year in the developing world (if given the chance to actually implement its growth and distribution). Perhaps be as dismissive about the development of IVF and specialised fertility treatments that give people (admittedly rich by comparison to developing nations) the chance to have families when heartbreaking infertility issues were accepted before. How about writing off the science and real evidence that has given us organ transplantation and, in the future, stem cell research that will enable growth of genetically identical organs that won't get rejected.

Carry on believing in mysticism whilst people with the imagination and intelligent wherewithal have a crack at figuring out the genetics and, one day, cures for illnesses that we all now see in our workmates, families, friends and familiar faces. They are the ones that are the true hope givers. If you believe other wise then pop down to Holland and Barratt for your next course of medical treatment.

And before you trot out any failings - remember, trial and error is how many of these things are discovered. Without clinical trials, with scientists and researchers - none of the above (a mere snippet of empirical (in the true sense)) treatments and discoveries would ever be made, much less implemented.

Back to the original topic. After years working part and full time in the catering industry - I would say the best way to run a sustainable profitable and happy cafe/tea shop is generosity combined with value for money if lower end of market. Higher end and it is quality every time, with beautiful looking delicious food. The biggest draw by far though is friendly and professional staff. I never go back to somewhere that has poor service or hygiene standards even if the meal was ok. Gimmicks are not needed, although promotional nights/afternoons are a great way to draw in custom which are then there to impress with the above points.

first of all you obviously dont understand the meaning of 'empirical' evidence as you have dismissed it without understanding exactly what is meant by it.
secondly - your years of working in tea shops havent exactly qualified you for telling us all how to evaluate our own experiences.
and as for drugs which you appear to think are miracles - most of them come with lists of side effects which if read would make most people hesitate to take them.
my blood pressure tablets actually warned of risk of stroke! now what is the point of taking government approved medication, which my gp wanted me to take as there was a stroke history in the family, which has a risk of stroke in the side effects of taking it! even my GP thought that was nonsense when i pointed it out - when he asked why I wasnt taking them.

crystaltipps

meritaten wrote: »

first of all you obviously dont understand the meaning of 'empirical' evidence as you have dismissed it without understanding exactly what is meant by it.
secondly - your years of working in tea shops havent exactly qualified you for telling us all how to evaluate our own experiences.
and as for drugs which you appear to think are miracles - most of them come with lists of side effects which if read would make most people hesitate to take them.
my blood pressure tablets actually warned of risk of stroke! now what is the point of taking government approved medication, which my gp wanted me to take as there was a stroke history in the family, which has a risk of stroke in the side effects of taking it! even my GP thought that was nonsense when i pointed it out - when he asked why I wasnt taking them.

Thanks for the giggle - I know exactly what empirical evidence means - I would suggest you should look it up yourself. paying particular attention to the use of qualifying and quantitative data. It would be difficult do get a scientific GCSE, never mind a degree, without knowing.

Of course some medicines have side effects - you are putting chemicals/substances into a body that is finely attuned to paying particular attention to them - the point is in the vast majority of cases, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

Also, as I think was fairly clear - working in the catering industry for some years gives me an idea on the workings of said industry, I hope. As well as being a customer in many many other establishments over the years. If you want a specific example - in a particular pub I worked in some time ago, we had customers coming back every week and word spreading to their friends because we did some fab delicious homemade pies. We were always packed, lunch and tea (did do an offer to OAP's at lunch with a bit of a discount for a slightly smaller portion to be fair). We sold our pie in numbers that far outweighed the other meals on offer and we were always busy. It was also a great profit maker because a large 12 portion homemade pie cost between £6-£12 to produce, and would sell on for about £80-£100 (depending on ingredients and type).

moggylover

Why, oh why, oh why do the non-believers always have to rant on so, and deny others the right to believe whatever they flaming well want?!!

What business of yours is it, if someone else believes something that you do not? The ranting certainly doesn't suggest an intellect greater than those that do believe: it is almost as unpleasant to watch as a religious zealot chuntering on:(

Op, it sounds as if it could be fun for those that were interested in such evenings, and I think you have had a couple of good suggestions of how to go about running the evening.

Good luck with it:)

Nicki

moggylover wrote: »

The ranting certainly doesn't suggest an intellect greater than those that do believe: it is almost as unpleasant to watch as a religious zealot chuntering on:(

But to be fair the arguments against it on this thread have been far more coherent and intellectual than those attempting to prove that it is valid

I particularly liked the poster who damned all medical knowledge on the basis her blood pressure medications had a small chance of causing stroke. Cos high blood pressure never causes that of course :rotfl:

Oh, and the three year old who can predict pregnancy before the women herself knows. My Dd has been known to say that people (men and women!) are pregnant. Statistically, sometimes she is right. I can't believe at the age of 3, the child in question has met enough women who are pregnant but don't know it, to qualify as a psychic, though I am perfectly prepared to accept she may have once or twice coincidentally asked a woman if she were pregnant and been correct. Bit like the psychic octopus in the world cup last year. At the start of the tournament he was just one of many psychic animals, but as the others got their predictions wrong over time, he was the only one left standing. Proof of clairvoyancy or just a practical illustration of the law of probability?

DevilsAdvocate1

Personally, it doesn't matter if people believe or not. Clairvoyants and the like provide comfort to those who have lost loves ones. Whether they are making it up or not, if someone wants to have a reading and gets some peace from that then it is money well spent imho.

D.

Fang_3

julie8314dave wrote: »

Hi
i have a very old quaint and creaky Tea rooms in sussex, business not to bad at the moment but i am thinking of other ideas to bring in a little extra and also to have a bit of fun.

I have always been into clairvoyants, and would probably ring two of them up to attend the afternoon evening whichever suits.

Does any one have any experience of these evenings, and also any ideas as the best ways to run this evening, do i charge entrance fees? do i do a raffle, food or drink, should i have a guest speaker, how long should the time be. women only or mixed, how should i advertise.

I obviously have some ideas of how i would like to do it but merely asking for any suggestions ideas.
Thanks in advance.
Julie.

It's a good idea for an early evening event, perhaps once a month. Obviously some people have strong feelings on the subject but I don't think you'd find that many objections if you kept it out of hours.

Have you considered other events as well as this? You could start hosting groups, if you haven't already? Book groups, writing groups, the WI etc etc.

photogifts

I have seen a lot of these nights go down very well and i have a friend who is a medium who also does house party's

a bit of skepticism is healthy like any trade in the world there is people who fake what they can do and this is not different
i from my own personal point of view have seen and heard great evidence but no matter what i write i wont change any body's opinion

but even myself as a believer i take psychic predictions with a pinch of salt but i have seen some great Mediumship i still keep a open mind
and don't go thinking this happened cause of this or fate not everything that happens is paranormal but im not here to change any ones opinion
it is there individual choice what they believe and there quite right

julie8314dave

I must just say a big thank you to all the believers and followers in this forum for helping me and giving views on how to run this event.

On reading through i get the idea that there are a lot who do not believe (there choice) and a lot who are passionate about what they believe. But also thank you to the non believers for your input also.

Like i said in my previous post i have been having readings from the two clairvoyants for the past twenty plus years and have know them to be a good source of help.

Lots of the things that i have been told have happened and are still happening now.

I was told 4 years ago that my life was at a crossroads my life was changing within the next 18 months to a year, at the time we were living happily in London nice house, 3 lovely kids. hubby in stable job.

she told me that we were moving near the sea/ countryside, she could see that it was a black and white building very old and quaint, on a bend where you could see a church from the rear garden, all to do with food and drink.

She also said that it would happen overnight that we would sell our house to someone we already knew, and we would pay cash for our new premises, i was very hesitant at the time and maybe for a split second thought what the hell is going on, here we are very happy no question of moving selling up and working with food and drink,

I did not mention the reading to hubby because he was very skeptical like a lot of people on here and i was trying to get my head around it myself.

I put the idea out of my head for a week or two but mentioned it down the school to friends, one of my friends said thank god i was going to ask you if whenever you want to sell please give me first refusal. we just laughed it off.

Anyhow my hubby came home from work i did not mention to him about my friend with the house, he then dropped the bombshell that his work was being located a million miles away and they wanted him to go with the company, my first thought was relief as i thought this is probably what she saw.

He then said i am not so sure this is right for us and our family but it is going to happen within the next two years so we have time to think about it.

The next few weeks went by and i went to see the other clairvoyant i thought if she tells me the same then what?

The first thing she said was there is a lot of bumpy roads in your life at present. only you know what to do, ( i did not tell her what the other lady had said) but i do see that you will be settled within 18 months complete change of life for you and your family.

She said she saw lots of happy people eating together in a rather old building, she saw me making cakes and serving afternoon tea. but lots of happiness surrounding me and my family.

This time i went back to hubby made him sit and listen to the tapes he then said well i have been doing a bit of thinking myself that maybe we should move to the country and start a new life.
I was absolutely gob smacked, bewildered, you name it i felt it.

No idea where we would go from here, i buried my head in the sand for a couple of weeks pondering what to do.

Within a week a newspaper dropped through my door with business for sale all over the country, i went onto a website put in food and drink and an army of business popped up on my screen.

I sent off for a few and within a week we had found a place in Sussex (where i came from)
we then went to see the place put an offer in which was declined.

we then went to see a hotel business in Kent which we really liked
they accepted our offer we went to have a coffee we were so excited,
we then got a call from the first agent to see that the owners from the previous place had now decided to accept our offer,

we were in a real state as to what to do, we said that we would come back to them the next day, we went to bed that night both of us with troubled minds as to what to do, we said that we would both discuss it in the morning, when we woke up we both agreed that the first place was the one we should go with.

It took a total of 7 months in all, my friend brought my house, my hubby quit his job, changed my sons school from 600 children to 154 to a little country school (where he is extremely happy)

Opened my business in a quaint tea rooms, call it what you like but this was guidance and something that i would have known nothing about until right on top of me.
We are now living in the country 6 miles from the sea, working in the town very happily.

I would suggest to all the non believers give us the benefit of the doubt find a good one open your mind and see for yourself, my husband used to call them fairy story tellers but now firmly believes that there could be something in it.

Sorry for dragging on but i felt i needed to explain my story.

Julie x

brians_daughter

if you do hold an event i would do it at a time the tea room is usually closed so you dont upset regular customers.

You could diversify and do an evening that hosts different events ie the clairvoyants, then what about some alternatives such as palm reading, maybe even get a local beatician in for ear waxes etc?

I went to an event recently to have my hands waxed (basically shove hands in bowl of wax, leave on a while and remove - leaves hands soft n silky lol) there were palm readers there etc too... you would obviously increase interest with the more things you offer.

They didnt charge an entrance fee as such, a ticket cost £6 bit for that you got a drink and a hotpot (so you got something for your money) then the individual practicioners (for want of a better word) charged their own fees that were cheaper on the night that usual....less risk for you if no one turns up you dont need to pay the clairvoyants etc if it gets full they make a killing and you get your tea and cake money

Mupette

what about a book club?