Constructive Advice Regarding Benefits Required Please

mixtrixx

busy_mom wrote: »

Someone who has been signing for this length of time must be prepared to any type of work they are capable of doing. The should have no restrictions on the agreement with the only exception of the times they can work if they rely on public transport, or because of health conditions. I'm sorry but there is simply no reason why this person has not found some sort of employment after this length of unemployment.

The reforms mentioned today will not be good news.

Yes at the moment jobs are scarce, but not 5 years ago! There is still work out there but some people except a job to come along and be given to them.

If anyone who has signed on for such a lengthy period of time be required to extreme job search activity, then why have Jobseekers agreements contained the same level of requirements in searching job search intensity remained the same regardless of length of employment since 1995?

To be honest, the period of 5 years, has not been "Continual" there have been brief breaks in between where something has been raised which would automatically break the claim, which always seems to happen at the same point every year.
Conisidence? Doctoring Figures to Claims that Unemployment is Lowering & Not raising?

OK, let's be serious for one minute, there is no way the Government could be responsible for any misleading information right?

Everyone for over 20+ years were fully made aware by the Government as to how Council Tax Banding was decided on properties in the UK. as This went unquestioned for so 20+ years and had it not of been 1 person with nothing to lose by highlighting such a farce than, if that's the last thing I say on the matter, so be it

kazzah60

As for going out and exploring for work, believe me, I have exhausted all avenues, as if you have ever attended a 3rd party Back to work provider, you are required to literally bombard shops with 100's of CV's and Cover Letters week after week, and have finished 1 year of Stage 4 on Flexible New Deal doing, which now that it has ended, I was referred back to the Job Center, to which I was given an appointment with a Personal Adviser to discuss what other options were available in helping me find work. However, the adviser referred me to a Training Center that could not offer the help and support I would need as they only cater for helping those people who require refresher training and could not see as to why the Personal Adviser would refer me there in the first place.





I am sorry but I believe you could have found SOME work in the past 5 years.

My husband was medically retired from the Fire Service - a job he loved and had been doing for 17 years
he had no other qualifications other than a few O levels

we had a mortgage to pay and two small disabled children at the time so it was imperative he got another job ASAP
he quickly identified some IT courses and got himself on two at a local college which gave him some qualifications - he then did a 6 week course at the local college in Public speaking and presentations ( to give him confidence in an interview situation as he hadn't attended any for 18 years)

and he then secured himself a low paid job - at the time he took it we were only about £20 per week better off than if he stayed on benefits - but he KNEW the key to gaining a better job was to start small and prove himself to prospective employers

it is now some 15 years later and in those 15 years he has obtained a degree, a professional project management qualification, is a Prince 2 Practitioner and is working towards his masters degree.

NO-ONE has offered him courses, he has had to GO AND FIND them himself - he has sourced appropriate courses in areas where he wants to work and has worked hard at obtaining these qualifications whilst holding down a full time job.

In the past 6 years, he has worked in the Voluntary sector - where a "permanent contract" for employment is as rare as hens teeth - the projects he has worked on have all been time limited ones
but even though we have a mortgage of £880 per month to pay - he has ALWAYS taken any job offered to him - because he knows he is much more likely to be offered a job, if he has been working.
And the longest period he has been unemplyed between projects ending and a new job is 9 weeks.

I think you are putting up barriers and making excuses as to why you can't take a job - well I honestly think you would have more chance of obtaining a "permanent" position if you started off by taking ANY job that was offered to you

I know that as a prospective empolyer I would rather employ someone who showed some initiative and who had worked hard at gaining employment than someone who has seemingly stagnated for 5 years.

mixtrixx

mixtrixx wrote: »

If anyone who has signed on for such a lengthy period of time be required to extreme job search activity, then why have Jobseekers agreements contained the same level of requirements in searching job search intensity remained the same regardless of length of employment since 1995?

To be honest, the period of 5 years, has not been "Continual" there have been brief breaks in between where something has been raised which would automatically break the claim, which always seems to happen at the same point every year.
Conisidence? Doctoring Figures to Claims that Unemployment is Lowering & Not raising?

OK, let's be serious for one minute, there is no way the Government could be responsible for any misleading information right?

Everyone for over 20+ years were fully made aware by the Government as to how Council Tax Banding was decided on properties in the UK. as This went unquestioned for so 20+ years and had it not of been 1 person with nothing to lose by highlighting such a farce than, if that's the last thing I say on the matter, so be it

backinbusiness

Spend less time on this forum. (15.5hrs today on and off!)

Forget about your grievance from 5 years ago.

Accept your error and write the week's money off.

Concentrate efforts instead towards getting a job - any job.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I too feel that you are justifying self-imposed barriers to employment.

BiB

mixtrixx

kazzah60 wrote: »

As for going out and exploring for work, believe me, I have exhausted all avenues, as if you have ever attended a 3rd party Back to work provider, you are required to literally bombard shops with 100's of CV's and Cover Letters week after week, and have finished 1 year of Stage 4 on Flexible New Deal doing, which now that it has ended, I was referred back to the Job Center, to which I was given an appointment with a Personal Adviser to discuss what other options were available in helping me find work. However, the adviser referred me to a Training Center that could not offer the help and support I would need as they only cater for helping those people who require refresher training and could not see as to why the Personal Adviser would refer me there in the first place.





I am sorry but I believe you could have found SOME work in the past 5 years.

My husband was medically retired from the Fire Service - a job he loved and had been doing for 17 years
he had no other qualifications other than a few O levels

we had a mortgage to pay and two small disabled children at the time so it was imperative he got another job ASAP
he quickly identified some IT courses and got himself on two at a local college which gave him some qualifications - he then did a 6 week course at the local college in Public speaking and presentations ( to give him confidence in an interview situation as he hadn't attended any for 18 years)

and he then secured himself a low paid job - at the time he took it we were only about £20 per week better off than if he stayed on benefits - but he KNEW the key to gaining a better job was to start small and prove himself to prospective employers

it is now some 15 years later and in those 15 years he has obtained a degree, a professional project management qualification, is a Prince 2 Practitioner and is working towards his masters degree.

NO-ONE has offered him courses, he has had to GO AND FIND them himself - he has sourced appropriate courses in areas where he wants to work and has worked hard at obtaining these qualifications whilst holding down a full time job.

In the past 6 years, he has worked in the Voluntary sector - where a "permanent contract" for employment is as rare as hens teeth - the projects he has worked on have all been time limited ones
but even though we have a mortgage of £880 per month to pay - he has ALWAYS taken any job offered to him - because he knows he is much more likely to be offered a job, if he has been working.
And the longest period he has been unemplyed between projects ending and a new job is 9 weeks.

I think you are putting up barriers and making excuses as to why you can't take a job - well I honestly think you would have more chance of obtaining a "permanent" position if you started off by taking ANY job that was offered to you

I know that as a prospective empolyer I would rather employ someone who showed some initiative and who had worked hard at gaining employment than someone who has seemingly stagnated for 5 years.

I can appreciate yours aswell as everyone elses comments, but the fact is, is that I did not have to mention as to how long I was unemployed, the fact that I did was is to provide the Big Picture to those that wish to read the information fully, rather then see something they have feel the need to criticize before actually taking the fact that not once have I backed down from any responses made, I have gave clear and genuine reasons as to why I feel the system has failed me.
What you have to remember is that I could go on for 5 years and provide proof to back up my arguments. So do you honestly think I will not be prepared if it came to a situation in which my benefits, my home, is wrecked after the UK Government who which happily ripped of UK Residents in thousands of pounds worth of Council Tax through employing Volunteers without any experience in evaluating homes, but the UK Public don't bat an eyelid until it is made apparent that they are possibly in receipt of Council Tax Refunds?

So to those who skip paragraphs and make judgement on myself before getting the whole script, due to having 1 pair of hands, but still managing to hold my own against all negativity, should consider looking checking to see if they are due any overpaid council tax, and if you are lucky to claim at least £200, £2000 then stop criticizing someone who has admitted missing his sign on time, has not issue with the fact, the only fact I have an issue is, is the amount of money it's costing me to get clear cut information as to how much, and how long my money was stopped for!! As I don't intend to sit around relying on a information to surface 20 years later, that suggests I am entitled to a to money that had been paid out unnecessarily.
Then perhaps out of the 2 Posts I have actually received, the other one informing a youth to what they are liable to receive as a Young Person claiming Benefits thanks me for nothing more then pasting his question into Google, and pasting the information directly to the message board off the DWP Website.
Point being, this is information he could of easily found himself, but due to how the mass amount of benefits available, to then actually siv through information that is relevant to what your looking for, is those people I am trying to reach.

I'm sure is you search for my only other post, which was made months before this topic even began, I having experienced the same tangled web of information that is either misleading, contradictory, or Controversial, is the main reason as to if this forum (or at least subject in particular) allowed Anonymous Comments without sticking out like a saw thumb after typing in 2 Keywords, then I reckon this topic would be a lot more balanced then what it actually is.

kazzah60

I can appreciate yours aswell as everyone elses comments, but the fact is, is that I did not have to mention as to how long I was unemployed, the fact that I did was is to provide the Big Picture to those that wish to read the information fully, rather then see something they have feel the need to criticize before actually taking the fact that not once have I backed down from any responses made, I have gave clear and genuine reasons as to why I feel the system has failed me.
What you have to remember is that I could go on for 5 years and provide proof to back up my arguments. So do you honestly think I will not be prepared if it came to a situation in which my benefits, my home, is wrecked after the UK Government who which happily ripped of UK Residents in thousands of pounds worth of Council Tax through employing Volunteers without any experience in evaluating homes, but the UK Public don't bat an eyelid until it is made apparent that they are possibly in receipt of Council Tax Refunds?

So to those who skip paragraphs and make judgement on myself before getting the whole script, due to having 1 pair of hands, but still managing to hold my own against all negativity, should consider looking checking to see if they are due any overpaid council tax, and if you are lucky to claim at least £200, £2000 then stop criticizing someone who has admitted missing his sign on time, has not issue with the fact, the only fact I have an issue is, is the amount of money it's costing me to get clear cut information as to how much, and how long my money was stopped for!! As I don't intend to sit around relying on a information to surface 20 years later, that suggests I am entitled to a to money that had been paid out unnecessarily.
Then perhaps out of the 2 Posts I have actually received, the other one informing a youth to what they are liable to receive as a Young Person claiming Benefits thanks me for nothing more then pasting his question into Google, and pasting the information directly to the message board off the DWP Website.
Point being, this is information he could of easily found himself, but due to how the mass amount of benefits available, to then actually siv through information that is relevant to what your looking for, is those people I am trying to reach.

I'm sure is you search for my only other post, which was made months before this topic even began, I having experienced the same tangled web of information that is either misleading, contradictory, or Controversial, is the main reason as to if this forum (or at least subject in particular) allowed Anonymous Comments without sticking out like a saw thumb after typing in 2 Keywords, then I reckon this topic would be a lot more balanced then what it actually is.



errrm, I'm obviously having a blonde moment as I have No idea how this relates to your ability to get a job - sorry - no idea what your post is referring to.:o

eskimo26

OP why are you responding to trolls? Please just follow the forum rules and ignore anyone that doesn't respond 'DIRECTLY to your query in a non-judgemental way.'

Also wouldn't bother trying to work out who Victory works for, his kissing so many different Governmental departments' behinds in his mountain of posts on this forum that i can only presume his there unofficial 'internet fluffer'.

I suspect most of these people are on the internet at work too because they are on here a lot at all hours, so just hypocrites wasting there employer's time really.

Please stop responding to trolls.

viktory

eskimo26 wrote: »

Also wouldn't bother trying to work out who Victory works for, his kissing so many different Governmental departments' behinds in his mountain of posts on this forum that i can only presume his there unofficial 'internet fluffer'.

And again in English?

Oldernotwiser

eskimo26 wrote: »

OP why are you responding to trolls? Please just follow the forum rules and ignore anyone that doesn't respond 'DIRECTLY to your query in a non-judgemental way.'

Also wouldn't bother trying to work out who Victory works for, his kissing so many different Governmental departments' behinds in his mountain of posts on this forum that i can only presume his there unofficial 'internet fluffer'.

I suspect most of these people are on the internet at work too because they are on here a lot at all hours, so just hypocrites wasting there employer's time really.

Please stop responding to trolls.

I think that the only troll here is the OP.

mixtrixx

eskimo26 wrote: »

OP why are you responding to trolls? Please just follow the forum rules and ignore anyone that doesn't respond 'DIRECTLY to your query in a non-judgemental way.'

Also wouldn't bother trying to work out who Victory works for, his kissing so many different Governmental departments' behinds in his mountain of posts on this forum that i can only presume his there unofficial 'internet fluffer'.

I suspect most of these people are on the internet at work too because they are on here a lot at all hours, so just hypocrites wasting there employer's time really.

Please stop responding to trolls.

LOL Thanks for your response,

ironically enough not so long after I posted all the relevant information as to why I felt that the Government failed to provide clear cut information with regards to decisions made, was it then that I noticed the article in the right hand side appear.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/family/2011/02/benefits-shake-up-to-introduce-universal-credits?utm_source=forum&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_campaign=box

Feel free to pick my bones against claims I had made prior to this article was posted on the site.

But just to Point out a few paragraphs of interest....

"This will simplify the benefits system that the Government admits has become over-complicated. It will also reward those who work over those who don't."

The Government has also dropped controversial plans to cut housing benefit for long-term dole claimants.

"Our reforms will end the absurdity of a system where people too often get rewarded for doing the wrong thing, and those who strive to do the best by their families get penalised.

Critics believe the bill is wrongly pointing the finger at the unemployed.
Brendan Barber, general secretary of the Trades Union Congress, says: "Long-term unemployment has doubled not because of a sudden increase in work-shy scroungers, but as an inevitable result of economic policies based on cuts that destroy growth"

Pretty much sums up everything I have already covered, but at least it's there in black and white and for the Government to actually admit it now, means I rest my case.