Constructive Advice Regarding Benefits Required Please

mixtrixx

HappyMJ wrote: »

So why didn't you go to the shop yourself and buy thermal underwear, socks, mittens and a beanie? Maybe a double lined jacket, thick jeans...the list goes on.

I must congratulate you on your electric bill though £67 per month fully electric is very good. Many of my friends in all electric houses are putting about £40 to £50 on the meter every week just to keep warm.

Thanks for your reply.

That really should not be done at my expense. Although I have purchased my own Gloves before, it's not been long until they are stolen due to the management not purchasing enough stock in to replace other workers gloves when they go missing. I should not have to forced into a situation in which I have to have eyes in the back of my head to make sure that my personal property does not get stolen due to the company not having this stuff on hand as and when needed, in which the employee is working in a scenario where there is virtually no real information as to the health and safety regarding the job's involvements as the company in question was responsible for supplying half of the countries goods, with the other half controlled by either another company or smaller companies where issues regarding a workers rights in such a work place, never come to light.

As for the electric bill, before I switched from N-Power back in September last year it was charging me £66 per month then, that's before that had the increase, so to only be paying £1 extra now after Scottish Power's increase was quite fortunate. Thing is, is that these Direct Debits are always overestimated as they like to keep you in credit rather then risk pay the amount you actually use (which in my case is about £45 - £50 per month.

Although bearing in mind I am living alone and does not require so much to warm up a 1 bedroomed flat then it would to cover a 2/3 bedroomed house.

rozmister

mixtrixx wrote: »

OK, so it seems we have someone representing the JC+ and DWP on hand to explain / translate for those of us who seem to misinterpret the help and support we are given

This is a leaked report found on Google as to how Flexible New Deal will help the unemployed.

"The method of Funding will change to an outcome-based payment system. Rather than being commisioned to deliver set processes such as training courses, or set weekly work focused interviews, private and third sector contractors will be paid for actually getting people into sustained employment, however they see fit. This approach brings with it a focus on results rather than on procedures and represents a clear shift in emphasis for contractors from mandating processes to delivering outcomes.

Despite it's advantages, the new system is not without the risk of unintended consequences: these are subject of this report. While the high level vision of FND has huge potential it's execution risks undermining that vision. The reliance on secondbest regulatory toold to drive good performance from contractors is unlikely to succeed."


It's people like you that feed !!!!!!!! to unemployed people purely taking the buzz of being on a power trip, and it's people like you that need to come down a peg or 2.

So instead of avoiding the real issue to my original post which was due to lack of clear information set out by the letter I received (which has nothing to do with the length I was out of work for anyway) but given the points I provided, and now looking at some of the comments made by Job Center staff come to think about it, then would it be safe to say that decisions are made unbiast?

I am sure that report no longer exists on google, but search for it at your own leisure.

I understand the job centre is there to help but it's not up to them to find you employment it's up to you. It doesn't matter if they're focusing on results, training, how many smarties they can fit in their mouth your main focus is becoming employed. The targets they work to are irrelevant to why you've been unemployed for 5 years especially as target based funding means it would have been in their interest to get you back into work ages ago. If anything you're ruining their targets so it's not an excuse or relevant to why you're unemployed after 5 years and if it's your fault.

mixtrixx

jamespir wrote: »

may i ask why its taken you five years to find work surely if you willing to do anything then theres telesales jobs you could have done or agency work

Thanks for your reply..

Again, it's not a case of being willing to do anything, the fact that I have a mortgage which is currently cheaper then what it would cost to live in council property is just one reason as well as seeking full time work that is permanent. I am actually fulfilling everything I have specified in my Jobseekers agreement. When asked to list the 3 types of Job Areas you are looking to work in, you are expected to list only those that you have experience in, which allows you to maximize your potential of finding work. So yes, I could take a Telephone Sales Job even though I have not specified it as a Job that I have experience in, but then again, how many companies employ unexperienced Telesales Staff with the guarantee of the job still being there after a trial period?

mixtrixx

rozmister wrote: »

I understand the job centre is there to help but it's not up to them to find you employment it's up to you. It doesn't matter if they're focusing on results, training, how many smarties they can fit in their mouth your main focus is becoming employed. The targets they work to are irrelevant to why you've been unemployed for 5 years especially as target based funding means it would have been in their interest to get you back into work ages ago. If anything you're ruining their targets so it's not an excuse or relevant to why you're unemployed after 5 years and if it's your fault.

Thanks for your reply....

The reason targets are relevant to why it's increasingly difficult for someone like me to find work, is due to staff who cannot take the time, or have little knowledge of how to deal with someone who has so many barriers affecting them from getting work, means that they are wasting their valuable time trying to help someone like me, when they have targets to meet, so then they concentrate on more easier subjects with less complications that make it easier for them to achieve the ">> Back into to work >> Collect Bonus \ Keep their own jobs" ratio as part of the set K.P.I's these people are required to achieve.

Which is why the report states that instead of providing Training or CV Related Help, Flexible New Deal would be geared more towards getting results without the cost using "Whatever means necessary"

I am not ruining their reports, I am just a statistic which after 5 years of doing everything the Job Center have required of him has not had any problem up until now.
The reason I emphasized as to how long I was unemployed, was to try to elaborate on the fact that if I was not doing anything at all to find work then surely it would not go unquestioned for so long, the fact that I have supplied evidence week in, week out and following all directions given to me by Personal Advisers surely means that I have supplied enough information to convince Job Center Staff that I am doing what has been required of me. However, now it has come to the new government imposing harsher rules, it is now becoming a punishable offence even though I admit and totally accept the decision of which £70 of a £140 JSA should be forfeited due to signing on a day late, with this only to be my first offence in over 5 years of signing, but my original question asks if I would be within my right to appeal for either a 2nd decision to be made, based on having to live with no heating for 3 days, when suffering from Frostbite where Dr's Notes can be provided as proof of information, aswell as being made to call 0845 Local rate numbers, to get clearer information which should of been made in the first place, meaning that I am already running a bill up that I could possibly end up not afford paying, let alone cover the cost of stamps and envelopes required to provide the council with proof they need to show that I am still in receipt of JSA (even though they were the ones responsible for stopping my housing and council tax benefit according to the DWP as printed in the Appealing against a decision book when ironically it's down to the lack of Clearly set out information that has started the whole problem in the first place, is what I'm trying to get at.

rozmister

mixtrixx wrote: »

Thanks for your reply....

The reason targets are relevant to why it's increasingly difficult for someone like me to find work, is due to staff who cannot take the time, or have little knowledge of how to deal with someone who has so many barriers affecting them from getting work, means that they are wasting their valuable time trying to help someone like me, when they have targets to meet, so then they concentrate on more easier subjects with less complications that make it easier for them to achieve the ">> Back into to work >> Collect Bonus \ Keep their own jobs" ratio as part of the set K.P.I's these people are required to achieve.

Which is why the report states that instead of providing Training or CV Related Help, Flexible New Deal would be geared more towards getting results without the cost using "Whatever means necessary"

I hadn't thought about it like that I can see your point about it making them have less time (like when you go to the Drs now).

I still stand by the idea though that if they can't do it for you you have the capacity to do it within yourself although it may take time. Maybe you could do some volunteering closer to home at the moment? Even if it doesn't lead to qualifications it gives you transferable skills and it shows employers that you are willing to do something rather than resting on your laurels (that's not an accusation) which makes you more employable.

The way I see it is you can either spend your time getting mad at the JobCentre and researching the rules and obsessing or you can spend your time focusing on yourself and do the minimum to keep them happy and disregard them other than that. The second one will lead to employment the first one is futile and distracting from employment.

mixtrixx

chocdonuty wrote: »

Why are you relying on the job centre to get you a job? Get out there and look everywhere for a job yourself!
The jobcentre only have a small minority of the vacancies available, the rest are advertised elsewhere, taken by people with inititive who get out there and talk/write to employers asking for a job or through agencies. 5 years is a very long time to be without a job unless there are valid reasons.

My argument with "The jobcentre only have a small minority of the vacancies available, the rest are advertised elsewhere, " would be...

Then why are unemployed people made to sit 8 hours a day 5 days a week reading through the same old News Papers week in week out, still being used as the main source to get unemployed people back into work?

Same can be said as to why do Job Centers Ban users from accessing sites such as Facebook or Linkedin, when both have now been considered as major sources in finding employment through social networking?

rozmister

mixtrixx wrote: »

Then why are unemployed people made to sit 8 hours a day 5 days a week reading through the same old News Papers week in week out, still being used as the main source to get unemployed people back into work?

Same can be said as to why do Job Centers Ban users from accessing sites such as Facebook or Linkedin, when both have now been considered as major sources in finding employment through social networking?

Newspapers are still a valid format for job advertisements and FB and Linkedin are good for networking but there's an awful lot of schmoozing and faffing about in networking. I think they want cold hard action!

As for 8 hrs 5 days a week - do you have to attend the JobCentre full time then? It's just I know quite a few people who are claiming JSA and they attend to sign on one day and then the rest of the week do their research and applications in the time as they see fit (using newspapers, vacancy search engines, application forms, etc) and log it. Rather than having to attend the JobCentre Mon-Fri 9 - 5.

Oldernotwiser

mixtrixx wrote: »

OK, I think I failed to mention that it had been worked out by the DWP that I would require a Full Time Job which would need to be permanent, as I have an existing mortgage which I have had for 10 years now. The actual mortgage itself works out to be Less then £40 a week, and is for a 1 bedroomed, ground floor flat, situated in a hassle free area, and to my knowledge you cannot even find Council Property cheaper then this to rent.
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Assuming you are over 25 and are paying council tax of £25 per week you would only need to be working for 22 hours per week at NMW to be better off than you are at the moment. In an ideal world that job would be permanent but you would still be better off for a period of temporary work and, AFAIK, you aren't allowed to limit your job search to permanent vacancies anyway.

Your story doesn't add up.

mixtrixx

rozmister wrote: »

Newspapers are still a valid format for job advertisements and FB and Linkedin are good for networking but there's an awful lot of schmoozing and faffing about in networking. I think they want cold hard action!

As for 8 hrs 5 days a week - do you have to attend the JobCentre full time then? It's just I know quite a few people who are claiming JSA and they attend to sign on one day and then the rest of the week do their research and applications in the time as they see fit (using newspapers, vacancy search engines, application forms, etc) and log it. Rather than having to attend the JobCentre Mon-Fri 9 - 5.

Thanks for your Reply...

When I was @ level 3 Stage, I had to attend a Gateway to work provider which I attended 5 days a week for 8 hours per day, and was in force at the time in which Flexible New Deal had first started rolling out. However, being as it is still in Trial, they are using different methods in different regions, which could mean someone claiming JSA under the Flexible New Deal Agreement in for arguments sake day Leeds, are actually working for their benefit money, where as someone else, such as myself was required to attend a gateway to work provider for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
Although I use examples, these are realistic measures being used at the moment in various areas, but all of which vary in both length and requirements in order to all receive equal pay, irregardless of the contrast between levels of input from claimants required in order to receive the exact amount of pay. Ipswich in particular seems to of been affected the worst (or at least enough for it to become somewhat ranked in googles search engines).

The following link http://!!!!!!!.com/63mn3la is ranked number 1 out of 159,000 returned results from google's search engine when searching for "Ipswich Unemployment" (Without quotes)

The link was created purely as a quick reference, but entering the same search terms in google's website manually will produce the same results.

viktory

mixtrixx wrote: »

OK, so it seems we have someone representing the JC+ and DWP on hand to explain / translate for those of us who seem to misinterpret the help and support we are given

I don't work for the JCP or DWP.