Constructive Advice Regarding Benefits Required Please

seven-day-weekend

The OP has to be realistic and realise that full-time permanent jobs are not going to fall out of the sky. Many jobs these days are part-timeand/or temporary. Many people have to do these jobs, there is no choice, the full-time permanent ones just are not there, especially for someone who has been unemployed for five years. He could always look for TWO part-time jobs.

IMO, this excuse is just a cop-out, the OP should take whatever is there and not wait for his ideal job, otherwise he is going to be unemployed for evermore.

mixtrixx

jinky67 wrote: »

So just because your Job Seekers agreement says you will apply for jobs in such and such area, THEY are the only types of jobs you are looking for?

:rotfl:

unless you have major physical or mental problems i cant see ANYONE ever being unemployed for 5 years

get a grip of yourself and make a bloody effort

!!!!!! lol read what you just stupidly said!!

"So just because your Job Seekers agreement says you will apply for jobs in such and such area, THEY are the only types of jobs you are looking for?"

YES THEY ARE JUST THE 3 TYPES OF JOBS I AM GOING TO LOOK FOR.
WHY? BECAUSE I CAN - IT'S NOT BREACHING THE AGREEMENT I SIGNED, AND ONLY JOBS I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN ARE THE ONES I MUST CONCENTRATE ON THE MOST IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THE MY FULL CHANCE IN GETTING A JOB

APPLYING FOR ANYTHING WITH NO EXPERIENCE MAKES IS POINTLESS ACCORDING TO THE PERSONAL ADVISER I SAW PRIOR TO LEAVING STAGE 4 - NOW NOT ONLY HAS NO MENTION OF FURTHER TRAINING BEEN OFFERED WITH REGARDS TO IT OR ANY OTHER JOB TYPE IF THEY SO BADLY WANTED ME TO WORK ANYWHERE HAS BEEN OFFERED, THEN TO ME THE JOBS TYPES I HAVE IN MY AGREEMENT ARE IN ORDER OF EXPERIENCE AND NOTHING DIFFERENT OTHER THEN THAT VERBALLY SUGGESTED IMPLIED THAT I WAS TO NOW APPLY FOR ANYTHING GOING, IM SORRY ANYTHING GOING IS NOT A JOB AREA I & MY PERSONAL ADVISER AGREED AND SIGNED TO.

ANYWAY I EVENTUALLY GOT WHAT I NEEDED, JUST TOOK 3,000+ VIEWS, WITH 80% + OF THE COMMENTS RECEIVED BEING BOTH IRRELEVANT AND USELESS ATTEMPTS TO DIVERT AWAY FROM THE TH CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM THE TOPIC YOU RESPONDED TO REQUIRED.

SO PLEASE CLARIFY THAT IF YOU SIGNED A JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT WHERE THE LAW (NOT THE GOVERNMENT OR DWP) STATES WHAT YOU NEED TO LIVE ON. IS AN AGREEMENT YOU WOULD OF SIGNED WHEN 1 WEEKS MONEY WAS STOPPED FOR SIGNING ON 1 WEEK LATE?
BEING LATE IS ONE THING. THE FACT I PROVIDED EVIDENCE TO SHOW I DID ACTIVELY SEEK WORK FOR THEM TO STOP THE FULL AMOUNT THE LAW SAYS A JOBSEEKER CAN LIVE ON A WEEK, IS TAKING THE !!!! TO WHICH I COULD NOT GIVE A FLYING !!!! WHO I OFFEND ON HERE THERE ARE ONLY 2 OTHER PEOPLE THAT THIS TOPIC IS WHY I CAN REST MY CASE.

I KNOW THERE MAYBE 130+ COMMENTS TO FIND OUT THE 2 COMMENTS I REFER TO. BUT MY HINT IS TO LOOK FOR ONES CONTAINING BAD LANGUAGE AND REFERENCES TO THE JOBSEEKERS ACT 1995.

WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE EVERYTHING WHAT YOU ARE TOLD AND ARE LED TO BELIEVE IS PEOPLE WHO WISH TO DO SO's PROBLEM.

I FOR ONE AIN'T LETTING LIARS WHO I BEAT IN AN CONSTRUCTIVE DISMISSAL CASE AFTER LIES ENDED UP LOSING A JOB I DID QUITE EASILY FOR 6 YEARS - TO THEN GO OFF SICK ONLY FOR THE A DWP INDEPENDANT DR TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY STATE I WAS FIT FOR WORK, WHERE MY GP WAS PRE-SCRIBING ME ANTI-DEPRESSANTS 2 MONTHS INTO HAVING PRESSURE PUT ON ME AGAIN BY THREATS WHICH AMOUNT NOTHING TO LIES IS WHY I DO WHAT I KNOW IS LAW AND WHAT IS WITHIN MY JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT ASLONG AS IT IS MUTUALLY AGREED BY MYSELF AND THE PERSON ON THE JC'S BEHALF HAS SIGNED, THEN YES I WILL PLAY THE SYSTEM, AND DO WHAT IS REQUIRED TO KEEP THAT INCOME COMING IN, NOT BREACH AN AGREEMENT WHERE JOB SEEKING TOOK PLACE, BUT 5 DAYS MONEY STOPPED FOR SIGNING ON LATE LEAVES ME NOTHING TO LIVE ON FOR A WEEK - HOW THEY MUST LAUGH AT PEOPLE SUCH AS THOSE THAT DONT PICK UP ON SUCH, ARE ALSO IRONICALLY PEOPLE FAILING TO ADMIT THEY HAVE NO ARGUMENT BY BEING HERE LET ALONE POST - WILL ALWAYS MEAN YOU'LL STILL BE LEFTING THINKING "HOW DID HE GET AWAY WITH THAT FOR 5 YEARS"? LOL SAME AS HOW THERE WERE NEVER 3000+ MORE RESPONSES IF THE VIEWS WERE ANYTHING TO GO BY, AND THAT IS THEY KNEW THEY COULD NOT ARGUE AGAINST WHAT I STUBBORNLY REFUSED TO LET GO, OR PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY SHOWING AN INTEREST, COULD BE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN A SAME POSITION AS ME, OR SEEKING HELP ON THIS SORT OF THING BUT ARE TO WORRIED AS TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEIR BENEFITS IF THEY SPEAK UP ABOUT IT THE ANSWER?

5 YEARS AND STILL SIGNING ON NO SANCTIONS UNTIL NOW 1 FOR BEING LATE AND ONE FOR SUGGESTING I DID NOT DO ENOUGH TO FIND WORK - WHERE I HAD NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OTHER THEN THE INTERNET TO SEARCH FOR WORK

THE FACT I DID NOT GO OUT WALKING IS BECAUSE I HAVE BLITZED THE WEST MIDLANDS FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS ON STAGE 4 WITH CV'S AND COVER LETTERS. I HAD ALSO BEEN STOPPED 5 DAYS MONEY SO ESSENTIALLY STRUGGLING TO PAY BILLS AND DOWN A WEEK ON FOOD, THEN GET SANCTIONED AGAIN BECAUSE I DID NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH TO SUGGEST THAT AFTER 5 YEARS OF LOOKING FOR WORK I COULD NOT GIVE A FLYING !!!! JOB SEARCHING WHEN I HAD MORE SERIOUS PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THEM AT THAT TIME.
THE PROBLEMS DONT GET SORTED, APPEALING AND WINNING SOLVES NOTHING FINANCIALLY IN RESPECTS TO NEEDING THAT NOW.
WILL THEY OFFER TO PAY BOUNCING DIRECT DEBITS THEY CAUSED FROM MAKING A DECISION TO STOP MY BENEFIT MONEY BEFORE A DECISION MAKE WAS EVEN GIVEN THE EVIDENCE TO BASE AN IMPARTIAL DECISION ON? THAT'S WHY I SARCASTICALLY ASKED FOR 2 APPEAL FORMS AT THE SAME TIME WHEN SHE SAID YOUR MONEY HAS STOPPED (WHICH WAS AFTER SIGNING ON) THEN IMMEDIATELY WAS ADDED SO I SAID I BETTER TAKE AN APPEAL FOR FOR THE ONE I EXPECT TO RECEIVE COMING BEFORE THE DECISION MAKER GETS IT.


STILL HAD NO RESPONSE FROM THE EMAIL I SENT TO THE HOUSING AND COUNCIL TAX DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS ON THE 14TH WHERE I ASKED IF THEY WERE ABLE TO CLARIFY I WAS STILL A JSA CLAIMANT AS THEY LED THE COUNCIL TO BELIEVE I WAS NO LONGER A JSA CUSTOMER. I AM A JSA CUSTOMER, JUST NOT ONE THEY SHOULD BE PAYING, AND MAKING CLEAR TO OTHER OFFICES THAT I AM STILL A JSA CLAIMANT BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT CONTENT WITH MAKING ME FIND MONEY I AINT GOT TO PAY TO GET ENVELOPS & STAMPS TO PROVIDE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THEY NEED TO SEE BEFORE THEY WILL ADJUST MY H & C TAX BENEFIT ACCORDINGLY IN WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO ADJUST ANYTHING AT ALL.

AGAIN YOU TELL ME IF THERE IS MORE I SHOULD BE DOING THEN JUST AGREEING TO WHAT I AM NOW MORE DETERMINED TO LIMIT MYSELF TO, TO KNOW THAT THEY WILL BREACH THAT AGREEMENT ANYTIME THEY WANT IF THEY WANTED TO, THAT IS WHILE PEOPLE GO ALONG AND TAKE IT.

BY THE WAY IM 34, AND HAVE WORKED SINCE i LEFT SCHOOL. I AM NOT 17 STONED AND FAIL TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT DUE TO BEING OUT ON THE ROB TO PAY FOR THEIR NEXT CANNABIS SESSION ON THE GROUNDS OF THE TRAINING PROVIDERS PEOPLE ARE SENT TO. SO SORRY IF I APPEAR TO HAVE NOT KILLED ALL MY BRAINCELLS, BUT AS SO MANY TELL ME - DONT SIT THERE GET OUT AND FIND WORK, I'VE ARGUED AND WON MY CASE ON THAT, MY REPLY TO ANYONE UNEMPLOYED IS, DON'T SIT THERE AND TAKE EVERYTHING TOU HERE FROM JC STAFF AS THE GOSPEL TRUTH. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE SCREWED YOURSELF IN THE LONG RUN, TRUST ME I AM LIVING PROOF TO GET CLUED UP ENOUGH TO TAKE ON THE WORLD, NO ONE ELSE UNTIL LATE ON HAD THE GUTS TO.

FACT IS, IM FED UP OF NOT HAVING £200 A WEEK, IM MAKING ALOT OF FUSS OVER NOTHING IF I DID NOT WANT WORK. IT WAS AGREED FOR ME TO BE FINANCIALLY BETTER OFF, IN WORK, I WOULD NEED FULL TIME 36+ HOURS OR MORE AND NOT BE TEMP ONGOING - BUT PERMANENT - TEMP ONGOING DOES NOT GIVE ANY SECURITY THAT i WOULD HAVE TO THEN WAIT 9 WEEKS BEFORE MORTGAGE INTEREST SUPPORT IS CLAIMED, AS IF I WERE SACKED BECAUSE I DID A JOB I HAD NO EXPERIENCE IN BUT ENDED UP NOT BEING CAPABLE OF DOING A JOB WHICH CAME TO AN END WOULD THEN MEAN I WAS SACKED BECAUSE I TOOK A JOB WHERE I HAD NO EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS EXPECTED TO DO JUST WEEKS EARLIER, MEANS I HAVE BEEN SCREWED OVER AGAIN, WHERE VERBALLY BEING TO YOU MUST ACCEPT ANYTHING AFTER SIGNING AN AGREEMENT THAT DOES NOT STATE THAT, IS ALL THEM TRYING TO QUICKLY BRAINWASH YOU INTO WHAT'S A REQUIREMENT AND WHAT'S NOT, BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SORTED A JOB SEEKERS AGREEMENT AT LIKE MINE, THEN ANYTHING VERBALLY THEY STATE THAT YOU FEEL IS UNREALISTIC TO ACHIEVE WHERE THE SUDDEN START OF THREATS OF SANCTIONS COME IN ARE MADE, THEN JUST THINK ABOUT YOUR JSA YOU SIGNED. THE REASON WHAT THEY BRAIN WASH YOU WITH AFTER SIGNING THE JSA IS EXACTLY THAT. IT'S EVIDENCE WITH 2 SIGNATURES ON TO SHOW THE MORE REALISTIC REQUIREMENTS, BUT VERBALLY IF THEY FORCED YOU INTO WORK AND YOU GO DOING IT EVEN IF IT WAS OR WASNT WHAT YOU WANTED, THEN THAT PERSON IS REWARDED FOR GETTING YOU INTO WORK USING GOALS YOU SIGNED TO IN AN AGREEMENT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE YOUR SIGNATURE TO "YOU WILL BE FORCED AND THREATENED VERBALLY INTO EMPLOYMENT" WOULD YOU? LOL BUT AS NOTHING LIKE THAT IS EVER IN AN AGREEMENT WHERE A A JC MEMBER OF STAFFS SIGNATURE IS BY YOURS, ONCE THAT'S SIGNED - THE VERBAL NON-EXISTENT JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT COMES INTO FORCE.

LIKE DONT FALL FOR THE ONE IN THE AGREEMENT WHERE IT ASKS "HOW SOON CAN YOU START WORK" WHERE MOST PEOPLE PUT "IMMEDIATELY" WHICH I MYSELF FELL FOR ONCE AND NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME.

"IMMEDIATELY" TO THE JOB CENTRE IS GO TO AN INTERVIEW MONDAY MORNING, TRAVEL HOME TAKING SAY 30 MINS, THEN AFTER BEING HOME 2 HOURS YOU ARE RANG AND ASKED IF YOU COULD START AT THAT 2PM THE SAME DAY. NOW IF YOU COULD AND YOU WANTED TO THEN FINE DO IT BY ALL MEANS.

OTHERWISE TICK IMMEDIATELY IF YOUR 100% CERTAIN THAT YOU KNOW YOUR NEVER GOING TO BE SICK OR NEEDED FOR SOMETHING ON THOSE DAYS WHERE NOT BEING AVAILABLE "IMMEDIATELY" IS NOT WHAT YOU SIGNED TO SAY YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO BE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE OF RECEIVING JOBSEEKERS ALLOWANCE AND THEREFORE IS AN INSTANT REASON FOR YOU MONEY TO BE DOCKED.

LIKE AN EMPLOYER REQUIRES YOU TO WORK A WEEK OR MONTHS NOTICE, YOU ARE MORE THEN ENTITLED TO GIVE THE SAME AS A START DATE IF YOU NEED THE EXTRA TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE JOB OR U HAVE PLANS THAT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO KNOWINGLY START ON SUCH A DATE. THEN YOU HAVE COMPLIED WITH ANOTHER LITTLE PIECE OF MISLEADING INFORMATION

SAME AS WORKING DAYS & TIMES. AS I WORKED 13:00 TO 22:30 !!!!!! 5/7 DAYS A WEEK WHICH WAS A FIXED SHIFT I DID FOR 6 YEARS. IF I PUT THOSE TIMES DOWN IN A JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT, THAT WOULD MEAN I WOULD GET UP AT 7/8 IN MORNING, SHOWER !!!!, SHAVE, DO WHAT OTHER STUFF A SINGLE PERSON HAS TO DO BEFORE GOING TO WORK WHICH WOULD BE 12:30 TO SET OUT AND GET A BUS TO WORK IN ADEQUATE TIME TO START WORK, WHERE THE SAME ON A NIGHT COULD END UP BEING ASKED TO DO OVERTIME AS THE JOB REQUIRES WITH LITTLE TO NO PRIOR NOTICE SO DOING AN HOUR WOULD MAKE THAT AN 23:30 SHIFT END TIME, THEN DUE TO MISSING THE LAST BUS WOULD MEAN AN EXPENSIVE TAXI TO GET HOME FOR MIDNIGHT.

SO YOUR 13:30 TO 22:30 HOURS YOU AGREED TO WORK IN YOUR JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT ACTUALLY TURNS OUT TO BE A 7/8 EARLY MORNING START, AND YOUR ON THE GO UNTIL YOU GET BACK HOME 11:00/12:00 MIDNIGHT DEPENDING ON WHETHER OVERTIME IS REQUIRED, DETERMINES IF YOU CAN MAKE IT TO THE BUS STOP BEFORE THE LAST BUS IS DUE. I DID THOSE HOURS 5 DAYS A WEEK - WHERE SUNDAY WAS THE START OF THE WORKING WEEK, SO YOU COULD NOT REALLY GO OUT AND HAVE A NIGHT ON THE POP SO TO SPEAK - AND DID THAT FOR 6 YEARS TO GET TREATED LIKE I DID BY SOMEONE WHO GOT SACKED IN THE END FOR GROSS MISCONDUCT.

I AM NOT BEING AWKWARD OR CREATING BARRIERS TO AVOID WORKING

I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS SYSTEM FOR 5 YEARS NOW TO BE WISER TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN WHEN IT COMES TO HOW REALLY IMPORTANT IT IS IF ANYTHING IS, IN THAT YOU BE CAREFUL WITH THE WAY A JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT IS MISLEADING TO THE POINT WHERE YOUR NOT EVEN AWARE OF WHAT YOUR LETTING YOURSELF IN FOR.

IF PEOPLE THINK I'M HERE TYPING ALL THIS OUT WITHOUT EVEN HAVING THE ONLY PURPOSE OF MAKING OTHERS A LITTLE MORE AWARE IF THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO SPEAK OUT, THEN THAT I WILL HAVE NO ANSWER FOR, AND WOULD NEVER PROBABLY EVEN VISIT THE FORUM AGAIN TO POST ANY ADVICE WHATSOEVER NO MATTER HOW GENUINE OR WHO IT WAS THAT WAS WILLING TO NEED IT.

ONLY TIME WILL TELL AS TO HOW LONG PEOPLE PICK OUT THE REAL HELPFUL COMMENTS, IT MAY TAKE AGES, BUT THEN AGAIN IT'S ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY DO HAVE ISSUES GETTING BACK TO WORK, ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE SPENT TIME AND EFFORT ON THOSE NOT WILLING TO ADMIT TO THEMSELVES THAT I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG TO GET WHAT I KNEW WAS COMING TO ME.

lauzellen

I think everything has been answered in this thread already - it continuing is frankly pointless.

You failed to acknowledge anything I said in a previous post.. I have not read all the drivel on here as the way you type makes it very difficult to read and digest.

In bullet points to make it simple:
* You have been told how to appeal and that you need to properly get your case together to maximise opportunity of winning.

* You stalking nature would give me cause for concern and had I been said job centre employee and you'd revealed such information i'd have put a complaint in about you straight away. I'm sure threatening staff is not looked well upon.

*I think you attitude towards the employee is appaulling - temporary or not - at least she has a job!

*Suggestions have been made on how to maximise your potential to get a job - maybe follow them?? As for only searching in 3 areas - i'm sure there are more than 3 types of jobs you could do if you put your mind to it.

*Your inclination to do the absolute minimum when it comes to searching for and applying for jobs shows you're are more than happy to sit on your backside and claim off the state.

Sixer

I don't know whether or not I'm pork, but I've read this thread from start to finish and am none the wiser!

OP - whatever the point it is you're making and whatever the problem it is that you have, I hope it all works out for you.

missbunbury

Assuming that you are not a troll, OP, you have been given lots of good advice about how to appeal the actual decision that you are annoyed about, and should follow these procedures and see what the result is - they either will give you the money you missed out on, or they won't.

However, if I were you I would be considering the fact that you are likely to experience a lot more of the same in future. You have clearly worked yourself up over the last few years into a mental state where you are giving the impression that you are not willing or able to work for a living, so you will always be subject to the welfare system with all its confusion and problems. Going by the posts I have read in this thread, I can't see how you would get and keep a job with your current attitude.

I have a lot of sympathy in some ways; being out of work can rapidly send even the most with-it of people into a spiral of hopelessness. I've been there myself. The only fix, though, is to change your attitude yourself - nobody else is going to do this for you. The system won't find you work - you either find it yourself or carry on as you are. There's no magic solution whereby you get as much money as you like from the social without getting any grief off them, it just doesn't work like that. As others have said, if you were willing to devote as much energy to getting yourself fit for work as you have been to arguing against the system, you could conceivable get a job which would allow to to not have to deal with the system any more. Only you can do this for yourself.

anxious_mum

'Actually when I told her where she lived and where her bloke worked, the address was gained through 192.com without paying to access full details. The fact that it also lists cohabitants from the electoral roll, made the job easier, just that I took a wild guess that 2 people were a couple, therefore presuming it to be her bloke.'

Oh my goodness, OP, you stalked the Job Centre lady? If you spent as much time looking for a job as you spend on this site, and stalking people, you might end up working in a decent job, you obviously have qualifications as you have already stated.

Anyway, I hope everything turns out OK for you, I really do.

mixtrixx

lauzellen wrote: »

I think everything has been answered in this thread already - it continuing is frankly pointless.

You failed to acknowledge anything I said in a previous post.. I have not read all the drivel on here as the way you type makes it very difficult to read and digest.

In bullet points to make it simple:
* You have been told how to appeal and that you need to properly get your case together to maximise opportunity of winning.

* You stalking nature would give me cause for concern and had I been said job centre employee and you'd revealed such information i'd have put a complaint in about you straight away. I'm sure threatening staff is not looked well upon.

*I think you attitude towards the employee is appaulling - temporary or not - at least she has a job!

*Suggestions have been made on how to maximise your potential to get a job - maybe follow them?? As for only searching in 3 areas - i'm sure there are more than 3 types of jobs you could do if you put your mind to it.

*Your inclination to do the absolute minimum when it comes to searching for and applying for jobs shows you're are more than happy to sit on your backside and claim off the state.

And the first thing you bullet point out is fully correct, how is this possible I have nothing not a penny I can collect this info online there are downloable PDF forms within FTP servers to print off and do.

The reason for not needing to do more then I can be done at home is nothing any different to why I was given a direction to spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week doing something that then becomes magically acceptable, the fact the software I use for Printing CV's off & sending them is more up to date, is more so reason to stay at home to do it.

The fact one can search papers, job centre plus machines, & Post online CV's without moving out the door is not my problem.
Like they wont reimburse me if I got a taxi each time I sign on, to make sure I get there on time, with the poor reputation of local buses are, then I see no difference in why I should be criticized for not using the cheapest method of transport to search for jobs which just happens to be nothing as it is cheaper then paying money I did not have to use to Job Seek on Days they have not paid me for anyway.

I'm sorry if my attitude to someone who took the opportunity to try lying to a client who had been to the same place five years in a row, enough sense to get wiser to it as to using information which (as she did, pretty much left me stressed out after being told she sent 2 sanctions to my JC but failed to mention that they never put me into the 4 weeks work experience because sh was off sick as many times as half the people being made to attend there were, but no, she does not get sanctioned after having more then 2 instances of being sick count as a reason to suspend her pay where a Jobseeker get's penalized.
So the chance they gave her with whatever her latest sickness excuse was, also became the reason why the 4 weeks work experience was never done, and could of been required to do it within an of that 12 month period. To say no-one else could have organized it for me, and I would of happily of gone to any place and see out the full four weeks, I think that was effort I have come to expect from the same company as I have had the same help into work from the last 4 years.
Yet it was ok for her to meet her K.P.I's through being off sick so much that when it comes to complaints I have 5 years worth under my belt to have reason to argue, what can both that company or Job centre show to say I have or have not done enough to find work in the last 5 years? I doubt they can even find paperwork stretching more then 6 months back on my history, which is only to my benefit as I will take my PC with the proof on it if they want evidence to support my claims.
So my case (although my questions to what I wanted answers for are the end goal) but i have a much larger amount of evidence to cause right havoc, but as said, it needs to be present clearly, and once I can get some financial assistance to use public transport to travel about from a-z to get all the info I would require, then I will.

I've said it before, if I was that brain dead to purposely make known how long I was unemployed for, purely to try to elaborate how long it has been and not hot the support and help I needed, is why everyone has been going in circles repeating themselves (alot more then what I have, unless it's been to reply to comments) is whyI continued to argue, the fact i did it as successfully as I did in defending myself
does not make me a moaner or a lazy individual, for what tax payers moan it costs them to in benefits I receive, as their tax alone as an indivual does not make a 2 weeks JSA money. Yes, by all means come back wirh 100 people all shouting the same thing, then collectively those 100 people quite rightly have made up my fortnightly JSA.

Therefore those 100 People can chill out while I stay at home and jobseek rather then use any money even if I had it or not is why does not need to spend tax payers money on public transport to search for jobs so have it back for all I care, the fact that if I can do everything through the net to satisfy my JSA then and could have the job centre take £5 a week out of my JSA to give back what I dont spend on transport looking for work then I would

The real fact is, is that people still fail to realize that old fashioned methods they were subject to is nothing compared to what todays technology enables a Jobseeker to do, which unfortunate doe not include that of qualified individuals who actually do know or so their jobs properly, just unfortunate to meet the very few individuals that have no other alternatives but to hand sanctions out, hoping they did go unanswered.

I don't do this to wind anyone here up, I was just fighting for an answer I eventually got where at least stated some sort of support that some of what I said is justifiable cause to appeal. Just a shame it came 80+ posts in to the topic.

If I could actually close this topic though my account I would, but can't so if any mods see this, please feel free to disable all further comments.

Many Thanks.

jinky67

mixtrixx wrote: »

!!!!!! lol read what you just stupidly said!!

"So just because your Job Seekers agreement says you will apply for jobs in such and such area, THEY are the only types of jobs you are looking for?"

YES THEY ARE JUST THE 3 TYPES OF JOBS I AM GOING TO LOOK FOR.
WHY? BECAUSE I CAN - IT'S NOT BREACHING THE AGREEMENT I SIGNED, AND ONLY JOBS I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN ARE THE ONES I MUST CONCENTRATE ON THE MOST IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THE MY FULL CHANCE IN GETTING A JOB

This point I will answer, the rest was shouting and exceedingly difficult on the eyes:cool:

I have a JS agreement too, BUT although I stated XY&Z I AM looking in all areas.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that none of your skills will transfer to other areas of work?

YOU ARE breaching your agreement because you are NOT looking outwith this very small area of work

So you really cannot complain about getting your JSA stopped for any reason.

But since we can all tell you DONT WANT TO LISTEN, I am saying no more on the subject, and I dont think anyone else should either, they would be wasting their time

Cos you are right and know better than everyone else

mixtrixx

jinky67 wrote: »

This point I will answer, the rest was shouting and exceedingly difficult on the eyes:cool:



I have a JS agreement too, BUT although I stated XY&Z I AM looking in all areas.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that none of your skills will transfer to other areas of work?

YOU ARE breaching your agreement because you are NOT looking outwith this very small area of work

So you really cannot complain about getting your JSA stopped for any reason.

But since we can all tell you DONT WANT TO LISTEN, I am saying no more on the subject, and I dont think anyone else should either, they would be wasting their time

Cos you are right and know better than everyone else

Reasonable Employment - You can only rigidly restrict the type of work you say you will do for the first 13 weeks, or if there are physical or mental reasons why you can't do certain jobs, or if you have a sincere, religious or conscientious objection to doing certain jobs.

But by law (JSA Regs reg.10-1) they must take into account your skills, qualifications and experience; the type and number of vacancies within daily travelling distance and any jobs you've been turned down for. So if you have been unemployed and unable to find work for a long time they have to recognise that your chances of obtaining work are limited.



I will answer the one point you make, but the first 3 points relate to to something I AM NOT GOING TO DO ASLONG AS A JOBSEEKERS AGREEMENT HAS MINE & A PERSONAL ADVISERS SIGNATURE ON IT

(in Sesame Street Terms)

SIGN SEEK WORK MONEY = JOB SEEEEKING AGREEMENT

Which small thing do you fill in every 6 months that consists of

JOBSEEK,= AGREE + YOUR SIG + ADVISER SIG = JSA BENEFIT

It's the only evidence that you sign your life on that is proof of which nothing more then what is in that agreement says either Verbally or Written even if it's a "Direction" that claims you are to exceed anything other then that in the agreement your signature aswell as one from a personal adviser who signed to say it was mutually made then even a "Direction" would not be worth the paper it's writ on, and probably not official.

AND People say I need help? :j

As for answering your 1 Genuine comment of

"Cos you are right and know better than everyone else[/QUOTE]"

is spot on - As you said you would not bother replying I would not waste lecturing you on 3 points that are nothing more then the exact same thing, but yes I did take enough time to read and pick up that the only truthful comment you made was responded to.

Remember Sarcasm met with Sarcasm - Had you of read my 1st post, you will not have the stupidity to respond to my sarcasm in which you failed to read in the first place, so I do not even need to waste time with someone responding as they are not going to bother helping someone who actually cant understand an agreement they signed.

The fact you sit there and take it , but argue the case if it dont risk affecting your money, gives you know expertise to suggest your just angered that I can look at everyone here as Decision Makers and walk away happy with what the 2 Major Comments late on, maybe you should go read them before you even Fully read the whole topic, which I'm sure you wont, as so many others such as myself are now getting fed up with reading the same crap over again

I will finish saying Good luck with jobseeking. and I do mean that sincerely.

SingleSue

Mixxtrix - a few serious questions for you.

Do you actually want to work?
Is finding employment (any employment), important to you?
Do you think the steps you are taking are covering all avenues to gain that employment?

I only ask as the more you reply, the more I have this feeling that you put more importance on the faults of the job centre and its staff than you do in improving your chances of gaining employment.

I apologise if this is not the case but, to be honest, all the double speak has completely addled my brain!