Apoca parking fine Luton Airport info needed please

bazster

Download_Dave wrote: »

A bit over my head regarding the legality of the wording but if Taffy (whoever Taffy may be) seriously thinks the wording is out of order and contravenes any regulations then I'm happy to work with Taffy to highlight this to the DVLA as you suggest.

Sorry Dave, should've taken more time to explain.

APCOA are alleging that someone driving your car on the private roads at Luton Airport is in breach of contract as a result of stopping on said roads. The driver, that is, as only the driver could have entered into a contract. That is, not the registered keeper (who may be one-and-the-same person as the driver, but APCOA don't know that).

The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which became effective on 1st October, provides for the registered keeper to be held liable in the case of a breach of contract relating to parking, where the identity of the driver is not known. But this only applies to parking - and your car was not parked! It's well-established in law that stopping to drop off or pick up passengers is not parking. Stopping, yes, but not parking.

However, the notice that APCOA sent to you clearly states that if the registered keeper fails to provide the driver's identity, then liability reverts to the keeper. NOT TRUE! This would (might!) only apply in the case of a vehicle parked on private land!

Now, slime such as APCOA buy your details from the DVLA. But the DVLA has recently become very touchy about the possibility that it is breaching the Data Protection Act by supplying such details, so it is clamping down on the way these parking companies behave, particularly with regard to the signage and notices used by these companies. They have become exceptionally hot on parking companies claiming that the registered keeper is liable when this is not true, and have recently suspended at least 5 companies from accessing keeper data for making that very claim.

Looks like APCOA might shortly be the sixth...

RENEGADE_2

Another thing:

a legitimate case where the keeper is "liable" means where the amount sought is for an unpurchased ticket. In other words, if a vehicle parks for two hours without paying where the amount should have been £3.50, then the "liable sum" remains £3.50. The claim that the driver/keeper tacitly "agrees" to pay more for breaching the terms is wholly untrue. That is redolent of a penalty whereas the legislation is Contract Law and Property Law; a contract is invalid if drafted in advance and not subject to negotiation by all parties.

But they have opted to play the fool and needlessly take the walk down the Schedule 4 route, so let them. Refuse their demand, then refuse it again to POPLA when they issue you a reference number, and see that they make idiots of themselves in having paid for nothing.

Vaillant

Dear, All
Following my post on this thread, I have some information I would like to make everyone aware of. I have received my 2nd letter this time from Roxburghe who has added an unrealistic amount of admin fee to the original charge, now giving me another 14 days to settle or the matter will be passed on to Graham White for them to review the case for potential legal case. Anyway the info. I want to pass on which has shaken me a little is that recently I have been reviving phone calls from Roxburghe I have never released my number to anyone except for online registration for purchases, and I can only think of one other source of leak, and that is my car insurance company. Can Roxburghe obtain this data from the insurance company?
Also the latest latter has the following in the letter:-
"we are fully aware of anecdotal information being presented via the internet and on various websites and yoi may well feel this guidance is worth following. we strongly urge you to seek independent legal advise rather then rely on these opinions"
Should I seek legal advise or stay put? the phone calls are also worrying me, I'm also thinking someone on this thread might be a plant encouraging those seeking help and advice not to pay and hence getting maximum charges. I may be paranoid but this plus other personal matter has now pushed me to seeking medical help.
If anyone has had phone calls from Roxburghe please let me know and what has come of them?
I apologies for anything said, I cannot continue any more now I need to wind down.
Best Regards,
Vaillant

taffy056

Listen Roxburghe and Graham White are the same people, they pretend to be solicitors, Roxburghe are now suspended from accessing dvla records because of gross misconduct. This will never ever ever ever ever ever ever go to court, they never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever issued a claim that can't be simply defended. Roxburghe can get your telephone number from a number of places, like credit reference agencies, the phone book, 192.com, facebook and so on

As for the online advice, think about it, why do they even say such things? the reason is that we hurt their business seriously, debt collectors are lying cheating scumbags, these are no different. As for someone encouraging you not to pay so they can get more money, please reason this out, they increase the fee to try and get you to pay them it, they frighten and intimidate people, this will soon go to a 100% discount after they have threatened you with the £207.25 amount, I bet you I am right on that exact amount, aren't I ? The reason i'm right is that they do it to everyone, you are no more special than I when they did it to me.

taffy056

And a simple search on google reveals about a thousand results on "Roxburghe £207.25"
https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&rlz=&q=roxburghe+%C2%A3207.25&oq=&gs_l=

Coupon-mad

Vaillant wrote: »

Dear, All
Following my post on this thread, I have some information I would like to make everyone aware of. I have received my 2nd letter this time from Roxburghe who has added an unrealistic amount of admin fee to the original charge, now giving me another 14 days to settle or the matter will be passed on to Graham White for them to review the case for potential legal case. Anyway the info. I want to pass on which has shaken me a little is that recently I have been reviving phone calls from Roxburghe I have never released my number to anyone except for online registration for purchases, and I can only think of one other source of leak, and that is my car insurance company. Can Roxburghe obtain this data from the insurance company?
Also the latest latter has the following in the letter:-
"we are fully aware of anecdotal information being presented via the internet and on various websites and yoi may well feel this guidance is worth following. we strongly urge you to seek independent legal advise rather then rely on these opinions"
Should I seek legal advise or stay put? the phone calls are also worrying me, I'm also thinking someone on this thread might be a plant encouraging those seeking help and advice not to pay and hence getting maximum charges. I may be paranoid but this plus other personal matter has now pushed me to seeking medical help.
If anyone has had phone calls from Roxburghe please let me know and what has come of them?

Vaillant

Look, everyone gets that letter. You are being paranoid and you have actually been reading the scam letter? Do you read phishing emails too?

Surely if you've read the replies here and looked at the sticky threads at the top of the forum you have seen the letter chains pictures? Just tick off the threatening letters here - you should just be playing snap with these letters not reading them!

PLEASE FIND YOUR LETTER ON THAT LINK AND LOOK AT WHAT WILL ARRIVE NEXT, AND WHICH LETTER IS THE LAST ONE. DO NOT GET ALL HOT AND BOTHERED WHEN YOU GET ONE HEADED UP GRAHAM WHITE SOLICITORS. THAT'S PART OF THE SCAM TOO, IT'S STILL ROXBURGHE.

Like all the other posters on this board, you have a fake PCN and you are in the middle of the letter chain. Sorry but - so what? It is just a scam. You do NOT need legal advice to avoid a mail scam!!

The letters are easy to ignore and laugh at, when they arrive at the address of someone who knows it's all hogwash and not a real parking ticket at all.

The whole scam of fake PCNs relies firstly on people's ignorance of the fact that a random private company can't fine anyone, and secondly on their natural fear of parking tickets and the escalating costs/bailiff scenario. So PPCs copy the look of a real parking ticket and - hey presto! - the cash rolls in from victims who know no better.

There is no fine, no CCJ, no bailiff, no debt, no effect on credit rating, no Court, no repercussions at all.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion - read the answer at the bottom, it's very clear! - here.

Simply choose to ignore and laugh at the scammer and their attempt to extort money.

It's like deleting obvious phishing emails from your 'Bank'; it's a very similar con based on impersonation of authority. Now you have the pics in that first link you can play snap with each letter until the whole scam fizzles out.

As far as the phone calls are concerned if you just search the forum for 'Roxburghe phone calls' you would find loads of results, loads of people get phone calls from these scumbags. They did NOT get your phone number from your insurance comany directly - no-one has leaked it. The phone number is probably listed on your credit file and Roxburghe have looked at what they can find within the limited 'search' they can do.

If you had searched for 'Roxburghe phone calls you would find the answer for how to get rid of them.

We tell people to say 'The alleged debt is denied. Do not contact me again as this is harassment'.

PHONE DOWN. NO DISCUSSION.

Vaillant

Thank you taffy056 and everyone who read my post, I'm still afraid as I'm financially not in a position to settle this escalating charges should I happen to the 1st. I'm going to ride this coaster as long as I can because everyone's support on this matter here is sufficient for mr to maintain my momentum. Thank you again.

Vaillant

Thank you coupon-mad, I must say you have a lot to say in this matter, do you think we could all get together and take this to parliament or pay someone to lobby this in parliament on our behalf? if successful maybe get Roxburghe and Graham to refund all those who has paid up under duress?

surfboy1

Vaillant wrote: »

Thank you taffy056 and everyone who read my post, I'm still afraid as I'm financially not in a position to settle this escalating charges should I happen to the 1st. I'm going to ride this coaster as long as I can because everyone's support on this matter here is sufficient for mr to maintain my momentum. Thank you again.

You ought to keep letting the money escalate because, if you do , you will soon owe them £0.00
When it gets to that stage you are done with them and you can get on with your life.

taffy056

Vaillant wrote: »

Thank you taffy056 and everyone who read my post, I'm still afraid as I'm financially not in a position to settle this escalating charges should I happen to the 1st. I'm going to ride this coaster as long as I can because everyone's support on this matter here is sufficient for mr to maintain my momentum. Thank you again.

No matter how much it rises to you won't be paying, by the way £207.25 is the maximum they go to, then they start trying to offer a discount to pay, then they do my favourite part and do a 100% discount as they disappear under the rock they crawled out of.

Vaillant wrote: »

Thank you coupon-mad, I must say you have a lot to say in this matter, do you think we could all get together and take this to parliament or pay someone to lobby this in parliament on our behalf? if successful maybe get Roxburghe and Graham to refund all those who has paid up under duress?

Coupon is a fantastic poster on this subject, a few years ago she put me right on this scam, she was right I ignored that first invoice and all subsequent ones. The problem with getting altogether is that it doesn't really work, we haven't got the justice system to file class actions like in the states. All we can do is advise like we do now, together with our friends on CAG and Pepipoo.

Together we hurt these companies, look at my signature below, companies being banned from the dvla datalink because of gross misconduct. Most of these companies who can access addresses at the dvla, has illegal claims on their websites, the bpa who is supposed to the one keeping an eye on these companies do nothing. The reason of course iis the people running the bpa are the ones running parking companies. They are all in it together to fleece the public.