Ratting on benefit cheats

eskimo26

Stylehutz wrote: »

Not the point I would rather my 62p per year went to someone that needed it and not someone that didn't:eek:

As for generating huge sums in tourism each year -absolute Rubbish !!!!!. Paris generates twice as much money in tourism then London and everyone goes there to see their Royal Family Don't they ?:rotfl:

but maybe if they kept the heads and had them mummified they'd be making twice as much!

holidaysforme

Red_Shoes_No_Knickers wrote: »

Oh lovey, would you like to borrow my dictionary?

Yes the spelling was pants. I was too busy laughing at a very stupid post to pay attention:D

krisskross

holidaysforme wrote: »

Bless your niaevity. A benefit basher and a royalist. It couldn't get more hilarious if it wasn't so pitiful
You'll be telling us the bnaks are doing us a favour next:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I have pride in my country and it's heritage. I also object to people claiming money they are not entitled to.

What on earth is pitiful about that?

holidaysforme

Red_Shoes_No_Knickers wrote: »

Oh goodness, never an excuse for poor spelling now is there lovey. The Jobcentre offer free literacy courses you know my dear!

Run along if you're not capable of engaging in a proper debate,- there's a love:D

holidaysforme

krisskross wrote: »

I have pride in my country and it's heritage. I also object to people claiming money they are not entitled to.

What on earth is pitiful about that?

Are you a Daily Mail reader per chance:D

moonbeam2007

holidaysforme wrote: »

you just sound spiteful to be honest!
Mind your own business. It's highly likely you are not in full receipt of the facts. Let the government do it's own dirty work.
If you do go ahead and report,- i hope it comes back to haunt you:mad:

here here

:T :T

The_mangler

viktory wrote: »

Incidentally, can you provide evidence, ie a link, that refers to these mistakes?

http://fullfact.org/factchecks/disability_benefit_how_much_does_fraud_and_error_cost-1544

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press-releases/2010/oct-2010/dwp138-10-181010.shtml
This bottom thread from the DWP themselves, I draw your attention to the bottom of the page 'notes to editors'

Nara

Personally all the people who I know who claim when they shouldn't be are the ones who boast about it.

I mean how else would you know what benefits people are on unless you are opening their post? I have no idea if my neighbours are on benefits or not and unless someone told me I would be clueless.

However, the people I do know who are making fraudulent claims are the ones who go around telling people and laughing about it. The one's who have a 'bad back' so they can't work and get a free car, but it doesn't stop them doing anything else like lifting heavy stuff or getting drunk and dancing like a loon. Or the ones who pop out child after child while claiming to not have/live with a partner?!
As for shopping my family in? I totally would, because having worked my whole life and paid my taxes it makes me sick that alot of these people seem better off then me.

A 'friend' who claimed she was a single parent, on income support, CTC, housing benefit and working families credit and god knows what else u can get, who actually lived with her partner, he worked too for cash in hand, they had nice holidays every year, new computers, car's etc etc. Needless to say it got very tiresome after a while and I got bitter about working my !!!! off 40+ hours a week and still not affording half what they had, mind you havent spoken to them in about 7 years now lol. No doubt they are still plodding along doing the same thing...oh well, lets face it this country is a mess and I for one don't think anything is gonna get any easier anytime soon, I hope they do continue to clamp down on people claiming falsely but somehow when you see the punishments they get for their crimes, in my eyes it still makes it worthwhile to be a criminal!

Sixer

krisskross wrote: »

I thought the quote fitted the thread.

So what would you do if you saw a neighbour walking (without any aids) 100 yards each way to the pub every night, saw him carrying heavy bags of shopping, heard him boasting that he has had a motobility car for 15 years without any checks ever having been made on his entitlement?

Would you simply consider him lucky and long may it continue?

I see the bankers, Royal Family etc are now in the debate. Why?The Government LENT money to SOME banks. All are probably going to make a future profit for the taxpayers.

The Royal family generate huge sums in tourism etc. I believe the last estimate was that they cost us 62p a YEAR each. So a Mars bar each roughly that we need to give up per year.

You didn't answer my questions. Would you call the police if your child used a bitorrent website? Do you check your neighbours' road tax discs? Have you ever bought fags that originated from a hypermarket in Calais? Do you know anybody that does? Have you reported them? Have you contacted your MP about corporate tax evasion and avoidance? Done anything to try to put an end to that?

I'm just wondering.

At no point did I say that nobody should ever report benefits cheats, nor did I say that I would never make such a report.

I said that there are much bigger fish to fry in terms of money missing from the exchequer - fact, not opinion - and I expressed disapproval of an attitude that focuses on benefits claimants as if a) they are the only drain on the public purse and b) they are all lazy or cheating shysters.

Here are some relatively recent statistics:

Tax evasion (not avoidance, which is legal) is 15 times higher than benefit fraud (http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274)

Benefit fraud is estimated at £1.5bn a year (http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/how-much-does-benefit-fraud-cost/3423) while HMRC is currently pursuing £15bn in unpaid corporate tax, £5bn of which has actually gone to court, so determined are the companies not to pay.

Unclaimed benefits amount to up to £16bn a year (http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/press_office201022), completely dwarfing the £1.5bn fraud.

I am simply saying that this issue needs a bit of perspective, instead of the narrow minded invective that constantly gets spewed out on here. Nobody's condoning benefit fraud, including and especially me.

krisskross

Sixer wrote: »

You didn't answer my questions. Would you call the police if your child used a bitorrent website? Do you check your neighbours' road tax discs? Have you ever bought fags that originated from a hypermarket in Calais? Do you know anybody that does? Have you reported them? Have you contacted your MP about corporate tax evasion and avoidance? Done anything to try to put an end to that?

I'm just wondering.

At no point did I say that nobody should ever report benefits cheats, nor did I say that I would never make such a report.

I said that there are much bigger fish to fry in terms of money missing from the exchequer - fact, not opinion - and I expressed disapproval of an attitude that focuses on benefits claimants as if a) they are the only drain on the public purse and b) they are all lazy or cheating shysters.

Here are some relatively recent statistics:

Tax evasion (not avoidance, which is legal) is 15 times higher than benefit fraud (http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274)

Benefit fraud is estimated at £1.5bn a year (http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/how-much-does-benefit-fraud-cost/3423) while HMRC is currently pursuing £15bn in unpaid corporate tax, £5bn of which has actually gone to court, so determined are the companies not to pay.

Unclaimed benefits amount to up to £16bn a year (http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/press_office201022), completely dwarfing the £1.5bn fraud.

I am simply saying that this issue needs a bit of perspective, instead of the narrow minded invective that constantly gets spewed out on here. Nobody's condoning benefit fraud, including and especially me.

i don't know what a bittorrent is so couldn't report that.

I don't check tax discs but I believe there is now a fairly sophisticated system which detects vehicles without them.

I used to go to Belgium to buy ciggies for personal use but don't smoke anymore.

You cannot condone/suggest benefit fraud is of no consequence in the scheme of things because you think there are other things which are worse. This would be like saying that beating someone severely is OK because others commit murder which is worse.

And after all this thread is about benefit fraud, not tax evasion or anything else.