Lose Weight 32

lolly101

somethingsgottogive wrote: »

Hello all,

haven't been around for a bit because I've been rethinking this whole dieting malarkey.

I'm now 200lb overweight, and i've been trying to lose weight for nearly 2 decades (I've found diaries from when I was 10, talking about how I hate being fat and need to lose weight) and i've also been binge eating for nearly 2 decades. After talking to a friend about it and finding 1001 articles on Binge Eating Disorder that describe every aspect of my relationship with food and my general mental state I've had to finally admit that I can't do it on my own. I'm just waiting on appointments from the Weight Management team and counselling - and I'm trying very hard to stop thinking that I'm just a fat girl making excuses. If it was just that I like my food too much, I'd be a size 12 by now, wouldn't I?

Be back soon, hope everyone's well

SGTG x

Congratulations! :T That may sound like an odd thing for me to say, but by realising that you need help with this, and taking the steps to get it, you are in a much better position to be able to lose the weight (and to keep it off long term). Good luck with the appointments, do you have to wait long for them?

lucinad wrote: »

ok am i doing this all wrong? i am counting cals, should i be concentrating on carbs? arghhhh help. i have been trying to keep my cal intake to below 1500 a day but i think i have a lot of carbs, even tho i dont eat bread or potatoes, i do eat cereal, pasta rice and noodles

so help me please what should i be lowering?

It's completely up to you. I have lost weight using both methods. I enjoyed counting calories as it gave me more choice foodwise, but I prefer eating low carb as I feel a lot better in myself (no more bloating, stomach cramps, heartburn, etc).

If you are unsure of which method is best for you then read up a little on low carb diets to see if it's something that you would be interested in (Eric's posts are great sources of info), if it is, then try it for two weeks and see how you go on.

Foreverglitters

Hi all ive never been on before so 'Hello' !
Im hoping to start a healthy me from Monday coming up! Im 9st 7lbs now but at 5' 2" looking to drop a few pounds to fit into my old small Size 10's Ideal weight 8st 10lbs. Calorie Counting has always worked for me at about 1300-1400 a day so going to try that but Slimming World looked quite appealing too?! Hope everyone has a great Friday

Nicola x

Eric_Pisch

Frogletina wrote: »

I ate more calories than I should have yesterday - had 3 meals instead of the 2 I have been eating but in no way was I binging, just unwise choices

So how have I put on 2 1/2 lbs? I know I should not weight myself so often, but as soon as I eat the slightest bit more the weight piles back on. In no way have I eaten as much as they say you need to to even put on 1lb of weight and I know the body fluctuates, but by so much!

Well, here is to a better day today - good luck to everyone, it's going to be a longer journey than I thought

weight fluctuates naturally, this is something I have noticed, but over time it all averages out, salt seams to be the biggest gainer of short term weight or needing a poo

to gain 2.5 lbs of fat you would have needed to eat an extra 8750 calories

Eric_Pisch

vixarooni wrote: »

I understand you've done well Eric, but you're writing this as an ex 34 stone man. Not an 11 stone woman. Your circumstances which lead you to get so fat are a lot different to Bettys and you had to lose weight because it affected your life.

I'm probably a lot like betty, where we just like food a lot. All betty and myself need to do is probably exercise more and eat a little less. To be honest, i'd rather be 10 stone and enjoy the squares of chocolate i've eaten, then be 8 stone and not. Likewise when i eat mcdonalds and drink alcohol, i had a good time doing it and sometimes that is all that matters. Its all about peaks and troffs.

too me the principals still stand, but its what you as an individual really want, whats more important to you, loosing weight or enjoying life, you get to choose this. Me i really want to loose weight, The principle still stands for me as a 19stone guy whose goal weight is 16.5 stone, I want to loose weight and I am happy to go with out the carp until I am at maintenance because i know it would be impossible to use will power for 18 months, it just cant be done.

Life is too bloody short for that crap. If i want a chocolate bar, i'm going to have one. If i'm with a friend having a good time and i want a cake, i'm going to have it. I'll just reduce something else in the day/week or exercise more.

and thats your choice, your a grown up you decide what you want, but i think my point is valid in that if your really unhappy about your weight then treating yourself is just self defeating in the long term


Agree, but some poeple don't have any demons. Its just a case of enjoying food too much.

totally true, but we know now its a lot more than just enjoying food and being greedy, our brain releases hormones that reward us for eating high carb foods, insulin spiking from eating fast release carbs causes carb cravings, high insulin levels block fat burning and cause fat storage, these are physiological reactions where our body "works against us" but it is far more than just over indulging, your body could well be making you do it.

Little extreme.

it may seam so from the outset but its not really, once "detoxed" from the carp you no longer want it and I think my point stands in that if you keep eating it you keep craving it and it becomes self defeating, it comes down to what do you really want, to loose weight or to enjoy your food, its an individuals choice

Eric_Pisch

bettyB wrote: »

Thanks for the input Eric - I agree with a lot of what you said, however I disagree with a few points...

exactly! Becuase 10 stone is not dangerously overweight. And actually neither is 11. it's just more than I'd like to weigh. it's not a medical problem, much more of a personal preference and a lifestyle choice.
so yes, I need to eat less and exercise more. that's it. And I know that snacks are my downfall - and that my attitude to food is pure lust and greed, which is why there is no point banning food and trying to get super skinny - I am always going to love food, the safest thing I can do is develop a healthy attitude to ALL food 'good' and 'bad' and help myself become a normal person who can have a bit of cake, but not the whole cake!

well i hope i burned some cals writing all that! my fingers hurt! :rotfl:

As most people should realise now I do not care about how much I weigh or carp like BMI, all I am concerned with is a healthy % of body fat and being healthy (and overweight people live longer than any other group)

- and that my attitude to food is pure lust and greed

which we know is not true, there are real physiological reactions from eating high carb / high GI foods to fight this requires will power of Steel which I do not have

my reply is very fragmented lol


But it's not the cake, for instance, that made me fat, it's ME! A fundamental point I am trying to make is that it's not the food you eat, it's how you eat it. I could eat 4000 carrots a day and get fat, or 1 slice of cake a day and get skinny. the carp food didnt make me fat, my inability to eat a normal amount of it and then stop did.

2. eating a slice of cake with a friend wont make you fat, again, eating 10 cakes on your own will. I bet my thin friend doesn't do that though cos she has a normal relationhship with food and knows when a treat is a treat.

but thats working on the principle that a calorie is a calorie which we know vastly over simplifies things and in reality is not true because of the way the body processes different food groups. Keeping those carb cravings from hormone release, keeping those insulin spikes, keeping a high insulin level to block fat burning and start fat storage is just going to make loosing weight so so much harder and is why many of us (myself included) spend decades yoyo dieting. Its not how much you eat, its what you eat


In addition, i dont just want to lose weight. I want to alter my perceptions of food, and completely banning bad food will only reinforce an unhealthy attidute.

this is exactly why I am not going to 'ban' any food. It's far too easy to start reintroducing food and then relapse when you have lost the weight. Much better to never deny yourself the things you like (not just cake, but pasta, steak, olive oil, cheese.. etc) and learn how to love and respect it, and yourself, and develop a healthy relationship with all food, rather than banish it, brand it as evil, and forever fight the urge to eat!

I dont consider it banning food and i dont consider any food evil, for me its about understanding the science behind what my body does when I eat certain food groups, I look at it as moving my diet over to what was natural for us to eat for millions of years and away from this artificial over processed modern diet thats causing this obesity epidemic. To me its a realisation that being morbidly obese is not just about me binging myself all the time its about my body not being evolved for modern foods and it can not handle the excess of over processed carbs available.

When you revert the body to foods its more evolved to digest the weight literally falls off without being hungry and without every having to use will power (well after the first few weeks as you detox the carp and carbs ). Its not unpleasant and only takes a moderate shift in what we eat and is perfectly healthy and sustainable. The hardest part for most people is unlearning the dogma that fat makes you fat, it does not and its not unhealthy, sugar or rather insulin makes you fat. You do not need to go hard core anti carb like atkins either, 100-150g a day of low GI carbs depending on your size and activity is quite a lot.

everyone has the right to choose what they eat and when but for me I want to loose this excess fat and I do not want to be fighting my biochemistry and making life harder for me

Eric_Pisch

lucinad wrote: »

ok am i doing this all wrong? i am counting cals, should i be concentrating on carbs? arghhhh help. i have been trying to keep my cal intake to below 1500 a day but i think i have a lot of carbs, even tho i dont eat bread or potatoes, i do eat cereal, pasta rice and noodles

so help me please what should i be lowering?

I do both, 1500 cals a day is fine of that 1500 cals I would eat 400 cals of slow release carbs the rest from protein fat and dairy, that's about 100-125g of carbs from veg, a little fruit or low GI grain like oats

Cal counting is a pain but it is a good tool for teaching portion control, most people do underestimate what they eat by abut 50% as well

Eric_Pisch

somethingsgottogive wrote: »

Hello all,

haven't been around for a bit because I've been rethinking this whole dieting malarkey.

I'm now 200lb overweight, and i've been trying to lose weight for nearly 2 decades (I've found diaries from when I was 10, talking about how I hate being fat and need to lose weight) and i've also been binge eating for nearly 2 decades. After talking to a friend about it and finding 1001 articles on Binge Eating Disorder that describe every aspect of my relationship with food and my general mental state I've had to finally admit that I can't do it on my own. I'm just waiting on appointments from the Weight Management team and counselling - and I'm trying very hard to stop thinking that I'm just a fat girl making excuses. If it was just that I like my food too much, I'd be a size 12 by now, wouldn't I?

Be back soon, hope everyone's well

SGTG x

That was me 15 months ago ...

It has helped me no end to realise it was just not about me being a pig, that I had personal issues that I had to address and that the types of food I was eating where a big factor as well.

Dont despair thou, you are stronger than you think, it is possible to to change

Matryoshka

Day 13 of Insanity Workout completed - rest day tomorrow

bettyB_2

Matryoshka wrote: »

Day 13 of Insanity Workout completed - rest day tomorrow

well done!!

Morning! Day 2 of my new plan went well, I haven't snacked or eaten sweeties and I'm feeling rather proud as they are my biggest downfall - early days though! pride comes before a fall, and all that!

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

- and that my attitude to food is pure lust and greed

which we know is not true, there are real physiological reactions from eating high carb / high GI foods to fight this requires will power of Steel which I do not have

What I meant by that comment is that my attitude to food has always been about enjoyment. I love cooking, tastes, textures and flavours, and really love making yummy food! (part of my problem is portion control for sure!) Ever read a Nigella cook book? she knows what I mean!! :rotfl:

I totally understand where you're coming from eric and with such a large amount of weight to lose (and already lost) it is obviously very important that you understand what effect certain food has on your body, so that you dont make it any harder on yourself.

However, I'm just not sure that mindset works for me. Yes certain foods have a different effect on your mind and body, some cause further cravings, etc, but I would rather still eat these foods in moderation (like a bit of cake with a coffee with a friend on a sunday afternoon) and learn to recognise and deal with the subsequent feelings, rather than deny myself the opportunity to do so and never be able to control myself.

I think we differ as you are coming at this with a very scientific/biological focus, where as I am looking at it as a behavioural/cognitive issue. I want to re-train myself to use the love I have for food in a positive way - make a really nice meal for dinner, but dont eat all the biscuits!

you post a lot of very useful information about the reason I feel X way when I eat Y food (carb cravings, etc) but to me it's never going to be a viable lifestyle choice to count my carbs every day - so I need to focus on my behaviour, allow everything but in moderation, because that is how people with a healthy attitude to food behave.

victory

I drank a whole bottle of wine all to myself last night and some beers, I am not a drinker and could not tell you when we last the time I had a glass of wine let alone a whole bottle:rotfl: saw a movie and she kept stressing but when she took a glass of wine all her woes left and she felt better, I'll try that I thought...uhff I feel rough today:rotfl::D