Car noise has upset someone

derrick

Gene_Hunt wrote: »

The offence is quitting, don't know where the five minutes comes in tho.

Most likely from HERE;. (although I can't find a designated time limit, but I do think there is one)
The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) (England) Regulations 2002.
A new offence, (although I thought it was younger than 2002) that makes it an offence to idle an engine over a certain period of time.

Also HERE gives some more details.

And HERE;- "“stationary idling offence” means a contravention of, or failure to comply with so much of regulation 98 (stopping of engine when stationary) of the 1986 Regulations as relates to the prevention of exhaust emissions;

So as well as the offence of "quitting the vehicle", there is an offence of “stationary idling", this means you can be in the stationary vehicle with the engine running, for example to keep warm whilst having lunch.


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derrick

Harry_Flashman wrote: »

Yes, I understand that, but don't see the logic of it being a criminal matter?

Logic or not, it is the law under Road Traffic Act 1986;-

Regulation 107 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 creates an offence of leaving a motor vehicle unattended without switching off the engine and applying the parking brake.

107(1) No person shall leave, or cause or permit to be left, on a road a motor vehicle which is not attended by a person licensed to drive it unless the engine is stopped and any parking brake with which the vehicle is required to be equipped is effectively set, unless exempted by paragraph (2).

It is in the HC, Rule 239, (MUST and MUST NOT in the Code are legal requirements) ;-
"If you have to stop on the roadside,
you MUST switch off the engine, headlights and fog lights
you MUST apply the handbrake before leaving the vehicle"
[Laws CUR reg 98, 105 & 107, RVLR reg 27 & RTA 1988 sect 42]


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Flyboy152

derrick wrote: »

Most likely from HERE;. (although I can't find a designated time limit, but I do think there is one)
The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) (England) Regulations 2002.
A new offence, (although I thought it was younger than 2002) that makes it an offence to idle an engine over a certain period of time.

Also HERE gives some more details.

And HERE;- "“stationary idling offence” means a contravention of, or failure to comply with so much of regulation 98 (stopping of engine when stationary) of the 1986 Regulations as relates to the prevention of exhaust emissions;

So as well as the offence of "quitting the vehicle", there is an offence of “stationary idling", this means you can be in the stationary vehicle with the engine running, for example to keep warm whilst having lunch.


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I would imagine it is down to the discretion of the police officer. Much like the criteria fro deciding what is and what isn't a nuisance.

derrick

Another example form Islington Council
What is a fixed penalty notice relating to car emissions?

"A fixed penalties notice is a notice of penalty for a motoring offence. The penalty is usually fine, but may also consist of a loss of licence points, or other conditions.


By accepting a fixed penalty, the penalised motorist will not be summonsed to court.
Under the Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions Fixed Penalty) England Regulations 2002, fixed penalty notices can be issued to drivers who leave vehicle engines running unnecessarily in parked vehicles."




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King_Nothing

Gene_Hunt wrote: »

What's that then? The tool on the drivers seat?

And your problem is what exactly?

pulliptears

Lum wrote: »

That Burberry Chavalier doesn't count, since it belonged to Goldie Lookin Chain, a welsh hip hop band that parody chav culture.

Pretty sure they ended up crashing it and writing it off too.

They did
I had so much love for those boys

Gordon_Hose

Guns don't kill people, rappers do!

Lum

derrick wrote: »

Under the Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions Fixed Penalty) England Regulations 2002, fixed penalty notices can be issued to drivers who leave vehicle engines running unnecessarily in parked vehicles."

"unnecessarily"

There should be a law against weasel words in legislation. What is necessary? For example I have a skin condition that is exacerbated by heat so is it necessary for me to have the engine and aircon running for 15 minutes while I eat lunch parked in a layby next to a burger van?

pulliptears

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

Guns don't kill people, rappers do!

Wappers, surely?

Flyboy152

Lum wrote: »

"unnecessarily"

There should be a law against weasel words in legislation. What is necessary? For example I have a skin condition that is exacerbated by heat so is it necessary for me to have the engine and aircon running for 15 minutes while I eat lunch parked in a layby next to a burger van?

How bad is your air conditioning?