why are people still driving too fast?

thescouselander

Inactive wrote: »

So, as I suspected, you are not a DSA Examiner.

A driving test candidate will not fail if they do not reach the maximum speed limit even if conditions allow, they will of course be expected to make normal progress.

There is loads of anecdotal evidence on the net of people failing for going too slow - just do a search. At very least you risk picking up a "minor" for going to slow which could contribute to failure of the over all test.

Many driving schools recommend you drive at the speed limit during the test.

alastairq

There is loads of anecdotal evidence on the net of people failing for going too slow - just do a search. At very least you risk picking up a "minor" for going to slow which could contribute to failure of the over all test.

Many driving schools recommend you drive at the speed limit during the test.

You have hit the nail on the head....''anecdotal' sums the issue up entirely.

The biggest problem an instructor has, when analysing why a student acquired serious faults , is interpreting what the student believes occurred.

It is pretty safe to say, nearly all driving students actually fail to grasp, or understand, exactly what driving is all about..to them it is a task riddled with pitfalls.

they will re-iterate what they believe occurred...more often than not coloured by emotional influences..ie they don't think it's at all fair, 'it wasn't their fault, etc....

This actually is a common trait amongst too many so-called skilled drivers, as well.

It is never about ''what actually happened''...but about what led to that event happening.

Cure the fundamental issues, and the problem further down the line is sorted.


Regarding driving schools?

remember, their primary objective is to get students to pass the test

Licence acquisition is the term.

therefore, the instruction given is angled towards enabling the student to minimise acquiring of driving faults.

It really is safe to say, due to the nature of hte beast, a candidate on drivng test really has a brain that has gone for a ball of chalk.

therefore then need to be trained to cope with events in a manner that will satisfy the examiner.

An example of which is, consider a 'stall'?

What is actually going through the mind of a candidate at that particular point?

Panic? Bleeeeeps?

So, the instructor will teach the student a 'drill' which, if they follow it in their panic, will satisfy, to an extent, an Examiner's criteria in that situation.

The same thing with 'driving to the speed limit'........

which doesn't mean to say, that is exactly what everybody should be doing at all times once the test is passed.

Inactive

thescouselander wrote: »

There is loads of anecdotal evidence on the net of people failing for going too slow - just do a search. At very least you risk picking up a "minor" for going to slow which could contribute to failure of the over all test.

Many driving schools recommend you drive at the speed limit during the test.

There is similar evidence at your local pub bar, that doesn't make it true.

I am not saying that a driving test candidate should not drive at the maximum speed limit when safe to do so, I am saying that they will not fail for not doing so, ( as intimated earlier ) as long as their speed is deemed to be making normal progress for the prevailing conditions.

King_Nothing

Can't stand muppets who drive well below the speed limit on an overwise clear road where driving at the speed limit is clearly possible. Doesn't bother me so much DC's, and motorways, provided they're in the left hand lane. But on single carriageways it reallys gets on my nerves, it's got better since I've got a new car though, going from 1.3 to a 2.5T really makes it easier to drop a gear and accelerate past them and continue on my journey, 25mph on a 60mph SC is a !!!! take.

And yes, if the road is deemed safe during your test, and you don't make an attempt to travel at the speed limit, you will fail.

thescouselander

Inactive wrote: »

There is similar evidence at your local pub bar, that doesn't make it true.

I am not saying that a driving test candidate should not drive at the maximum speed limit when safe to do so, I am saying that they will not fail for not doing so, ( as intimated earlier ) as long as their speed is deemed to be making normal progress for the prevailing conditions.

I think its better evidence that the pub - these are people who have actually gone through the test and failed for going too slow - its not like some bloke down the pub talking about a mate of a mate.

There are stories of people failing for driving 10 mph under the speed limit. Why would anyone lie about this? Clearly it can and does happen.

Flyboy152

Inactive wrote: »

So, as I suspected, you are not a DSA Examiner.

A driving test candidate will not fail if they do not reach the maximum speed limit even if conditions allow, they will of course be expected to make normal progress.

:wall: :wall:

Flyboy152

King_Nothing wrote: »

Can't stand muppets who drive well below the speed limit on an overwise clear road where driving at the speed limit is clearly possible. Doesn't bother me so much DC's, and motorways, provided they're in the left hand lane. But on single carriageways it reallys gets on my nerves, it's got better since I've got a new car though, going from 1.3 to a 2.5T really makes it easier to drop a gear and accelerate past them and continue on my journey, 25mph on a 60mph SC is a !!!! take.

And yes, if the road is deemed safe during your test, and you don't make an attempt to travel at the speed limit, you will fail.

I fully agree, it happens often around here, we have a disproportionate amount of elderly drivers who think they have nothing better to do than to any other road users. I was behind one of them the other day. I flashed my lights at them to let them know I was there, they waved at me and slowed down even more, from thirty to twenty-five. Nothing in front, a clear and wide road ahead of them.

Flyboy152

thescouselander wrote: »

I think its better evidence that the pub - these are people who have actually gone through the test and failed for going too slow - its not like some bloke down the pub talking about a mate of a mate.

There are stories of people failing for driving 10 mph under the speed limit. Why would anyone lie about this? Clearly it can and does happen.

I think you are confusing the difference with driving at fifty miles per hour, when the speed limit is seventy and driving at twenty miles per hour, when the speed limit is thirty.

newbie007_2

Inactive wrote: »

So, as I suspected, you are not a DSA Examiner.

A driving test candidate will not fail if they do not reach the maximum speed limit even if conditions allow, they will of course be expected to make normal progress.

Try it in a test, you will fail miserably. It's common knowledge this will result in a fail for those who knows regarding this aspect. Clearly you are not one of those who knows.

alastairq

And yes, if the road is deemed safe during your test, and you don't make an attempt to travel at the speed limit, you will fail.

Only if a pattern has been established, or the speed seriously impedes the ability of others to 'progress'....

26mph in a 30 limit won't attract much comment [that is probably the 'actual' speed anyway, due to speedo error]....

....also, 30 mph in a 40 limit may be overlooked initially, on the proviso that patently visible repeater speed limit signs are not ignored...in other words, benefit of the doubt is given to the candidate for not knowing the actual speed limit , initially [if erring on the low side]....however, the examiner will be looking for a positive response once repeater signs have been passed.

However, a fault in the 'slow speed' box may well be due to nothing more than rubbish observation.....the excuse of the candidate of 'erring on the side of caution' doesn't wash..


What other drivers forget is..if one comes across someone travelling at ' less than the speed limit' it doesn't make them a muppet...there are a million and one reasons for a driver travelling at the speed they are......most obvious one in my view is..have they seen something the other drivers' haven't?

drivers..especially those who presume to have skill, forget when criticising others, that they cannot see what others see, or how others see.

they are not driving the other's vehicle, or indeed, have another's motivation.

The reality is, certain types of driver simply don't like it when someone else gets in their way....!

Rather than simply getting on with the job of driving correctly...perhaps looking to overtake, or, if not feasible, then settling into a position where they can at least continue making progress....they seek excuses to vilify the other driver.

No..the muppet isn't the slower driver....but it may well be the driver having the quiet rant?