eBay Stove giving no heat hardly

crphillips

Twas only a joke.......don't think I've ever seen a CO2 meter for sale:-)

If a stove is your only source of heating and you don't want to get up to a freezing house then your only option is to overnight burn........if you have gas central heating then just set the timer to come on in the morning and then light the stove from scratch.

suki1964

stoveman wrote: »

How is what he said rubbish I dont understand? Are you saying that a £250 chinease stove off ebay can be as good as an £800 morso O4 for example?

How would I know that? Do I assume to be an engineer?

He makes a sweeping generalization. Once again he's maintaining buying cheaper stoves mean blackened glass I can prove from my own experience he's talking rubbish


As mrs crafty pointed out the glass was dirty for another reason. Not because it was a cheaper stove

grahamc2003

A co2 meter would have to be quite a precision instrument to detect the tiny quantity of co2 around, something like 0.03% - yet it seems to some people to cause pretty major problems in spite of the tiny concentration!

BOBS

We have oil central heating which heats the whole house fantastically well apart from our 'good' sitting room - which has 3 outside walls. As I work from home childminding this room is only used in evenings - so the woodburner gives a nice feel and heats the room up well for us - it has no other purpose and doesnt need to overnight burn etc.

crphillips

grahamc2003 wrote: »

A co2 meter would have to be quite a precision instrument to detect the tiny quantity of co2 around, something like 0.03% - yet it seems to some people to cause pretty major problems in spite of the tiny concentration!

True........forgot it was such a tiny amount.....I'm thinking of nitrogen!

stoveman

suki1964 wrote: »

How would I know that? Do I assume to be an engineer?

He makes a sweeping generalization. Once again he's maintaining buying cheaper stoves mean blackened glass I can prove from my own experience he's talking rubbish


As mrs crafty pointed out the glass was dirty for another reason. Not because it was a cheaper stove

You seem to question alot of advice on the forum so I assumed you must have some knowledge of stoves? You were questioning the requirement of HETAS recently if I remember correctly?

CrPhillips is a qualified HETAS installer with a good rep so he knows his stuff.

His Generalization is generally the case, a lot of the cheaper stoves do not keep the glass clean or as clean as a more expensive one would. Saying that dont get me wrong there are some known companies who sell stoves and the glass situation is the same.

CRP has never once advertised any stoves he sells so dont think he is trying to stop people buying these types of stoves but generally if you come across a problem they tend to be with the cheaper stoves.

Like CRP has always said if thats what your budget allows and your happy with it then great.

The way I look at it is that it costs the same amount to install a cheap stove than it would a top of the range stove, so generally if budget allows try and get the best stove you can afford.

grahamc2003

Bobs, Our situation is similar to yours, except we have storage heaters. I have the one in the pretty big living room on low, to keep the chill off until about 4 or 5pm when I light the stove. After about 9pm, the stove gets no more fuel, and the room keeps warm enough from the stove at least until midnightish when the e7 starts, so I can turn the storage heater on if I want. When the fire dies down about 10ish and there's no chance of smoke, I close down the air inlet completely, and the embers and stored heat in the stove keep the stove hot for a couple of hours, and no more room air is lost up the chimney.

I'm surprised at how much coal people use - someone said 5kg, which means about £2 at the price I pay. But my storage heater on full only costs £1, and that keeps the room warm all day and night if I want (i.e. without the stove). So solid fuel isn't a cheap way of heating by the looks of it - in fact it looks quite expensive on those figures. I get free wood, but although free, it's hell of a lot of work before it gets burnt.

BOBS

GrahamC - we use a mix of mainly coal and blocks. Burning every evening for a few hours and longer at weekends £10 of coal (2 x 25kg bags ) and 4/5 blocks a night - the coal lasts about 5 weeks! Hubby uses more coal now than we used to as it gives off more heat.

crphillips

The main aim of my posts is just to show the other side of things. Not everyone on this forum is on the bread line........I'm sure there are some very wealthy people frequent this forum.

I could actually earn more money by not installing liners as that would allow me to do around 3 installs a day as opposed to one.......I could also do fine out of the Chinese stoves as we get them for next to nothing. The issue is that I'd get very little repeat custom. The whole reason I left the aircraft industry was because my mother in law who owns our stove shop had a nightmare of a fitter doing a poor job and giving the shop a bad name. I only got into it to help her out and started installing stoves on evenings and weekends. I didn't install many liners and they were all Chinese stoves. I got very little job satisfaction from this and also started getting a lot of come backs. We changed the way we do things ( which was mainly when we started sweeping chimneys) as we found most stoves were not being installed in a manner that allowed them to be swept properly.

The transformation to both businesses was phenomenal. We went from installing around 80 stoves a year to around 400 a year in a matter of 2 years. We went from an average stove sale of around £300 to an average of around £700. We must be doing something right as we do pretty well out of it and have no advertising. I've also been involved in product development for a major uk stove manufacturer and they've implemented about 4 of my modifications on one model of their stove and it has improved it massively and they are due to make more of the changes I proposed over the next year or so.

Its just my experience in the trade from someone who has used hundreds of stoves and seen pretty much every stove commonly available.

I can't ignore the fact that I spend a good time of my working year removing Chinese stoves and installing something better because the customer wasn't happy with it.

My sister in law has a Tiger stove as she's broke and she likes it but she would love a Charnwood or similar and understands how good they are. She isn't under the impression her Chinese stove is just as good.

suki1964

stoveman wrote: »

You seem to question alot of advice on the forum so I assumed you must have some knowledge of stoves? You were questioning the requirement of HETAS recently if I remember correctly?

CrPhillips is a qualified HETAS installer with a good rep so he knows his stuff.

His Generalization is generally the case, a lot of the cheaper stoves do not keep the glass clean or as clean as a more expensive one would. Saying that dont get me wrong there are some known companies who sell stoves and the glass situation is the same.

CRP has never once advertised any stoves he sells so dont think he is trying to stop people buying these types of stoves but generally if you come across a problem they tend to be with the cheaper stoves.

Like CRP has always said if thats what your budget allows and your happy with it then great.

The way I look at it is that it costs the same amount to install a cheap stove than it would a top of the range stove, so generally if budget allows try and get the best stove you can afford.

Im the owner of a cheap stove - one of those manky Chinese ones so looked down upon in here thats all

One who is very very happy with her stove

And someone who is happy to say - hold on - you can still get a cheaper stove to work as well as a high end one

Im also fed up with the sweeping generalisations made by certain people on here. According to some, theres not a stove fitted in the country thats not fit for the bin unless it was installed by them personally. According to some, theres not a person on here other them them who know what they are talking about and according to some, if you buy a cheaper end stove - you deserve all you get

Why can a person whos bought a cheaper stove not be given help in finding the best solutions to their problems? Why do they get told " well you did buy cheap its no wonder"???

As for HETAS. I do wish that those who are connected to HETAS read the bit that says they only cover ENGLAND and WALES. Its Laughable when Im told Im breaking this law that law blah blah blah - and when it comes down to it they mean HETAS recommendations which dont cover me where I live


So yes I will flag up on a blatant lie. The stove in question wasnt sooted because it was cheap. Not all cheap stoves soot up and need their glass cleaning daily - mine certainly doesnt

Actually I have very little soot marks in the interior either. Those I do are usually made cos Im burning wet wood. My whole stove interior is very clean considering its burning for around 12 hours a day every day