what sort of government uses water cannon on protestors?

ninky_2

Really2 wrote: »

Not the question, Labour introduced fees and would also be likely to put them up now.

What is your solution to what is happening, Imagine labour are in power what would they have done differently in these riots?

i thought it was the question. you asked what i would do not what labour would do. whilst i have supported labour in previous elections i'm too much of a free thinker to be a signed up member of any of the political parties. there are more solutions - and better ones - than any of the main parties have put on the table imo.

wotsthat

vaporate wrote: »

That;s alright, they can just claim benefits and take your tax money instead lol.

Well judging by the mugshots that's all they'd be doing anyway.

I pretty sure that none of them have potential medical careers to worry about.

vaporate

aardvaak wrote: »

If they are that lawless they possibly won't obey the dole rules so will get kicked out hopefully on the streets

Not really.

leveller2911

ninky wrote: »

if you look at times when there is mass protest / riots it is usually due to some very genuine reason. there aren't enough crazy extremists to create the situation without large numbers of ordinary people being motivated to stand up against a perceived wrong / wrongs.

it's time the government started listening instead of trying to turn attention to royal cars and graffitti.

They are listening Ninky, we the population of the country want them to cut our debts.
The masses in the country do not believe the increase on fees is wrong IMO, the low and average paid should not subsidise education after the age of 18 for people who will more than likely go on to earn 3,4,5,6 x their salary per annum....

Sorry but your whinging about who has to deal with the financial mess rather than concentrating your anger on the idiots who got us into this mess......

leveller2911

ninky wrote: »

. there are more solutions - and better ones - than any of the main parties have put on the table imo.

Such as?? .........Are you going to say "Cut trident"?

vaporate

leveller2911 wrote: »

They are listening Ninky, we the population of the country want them to cut our debts.
The masses in the country do not believe the increase on fees is wrong IMO, the low and average paid should not subsidise education after the age of 18 for people who will more than likely go on to earn 3,4,5,6 x their salary per annum....

Sorry but your whinging about who has to deal with the financial mess rather than concentrating your anger on the idiots who got us into this mess......

Speak for yourself.

The masses you speak for are the ones who do not care because it will not effect them personally.

wotsthat

The masses you speak for are the ones who do not care because it will not effect them personally.

Affect! You can have that lesson for free.

vaporate

wotsthat wrote: »

Affect! You can have that lesson for free.

What ever.

leveller2911

vaporate wrote: »

Speak for yourself.

The masses you speak for are the ones who do not care because it will not effect them personally.

Actually I put away £40 per month for the last 12 yrs to help pay for my kids further education if they choose to go to uni then good on them, if they need more then they will be encouraged to get part time jobs.We expect too much from the nanny state and its about time people grew up and started providing for themselves..By your comment you mean the millions of people who DON'T go to university?Then yes I speak for millions of people, although I didn't realise I had so much clout......

PS quite an asumption by you too......:D cheers.

olly300

ninky wrote: »

at the moment we are likely to see a two tier system where the wealthy can afford to pay for the best courses.

i'd prefer to see a system whereby public funding is available for fewer degree courses but there is a stricter entrance criteria (not necessarily just exam results based). i'd like to see the most able students be funded to do these courses.

i'd then allow a second tier of courses for which there was no (or much lower) funding for the less able should they choose.

Problem there is our class system.

Unfortunately middle class children have parents who know how to play the system which the working class tend not to have.

For example I went to a further education college with lots of children who were educated privately up to age 16. Our college had something like a 100% acceptance rate of getting 3 or more offers at university. In other words you put the college name down and you got in.

ninky wrote: »

i'd also increase the number of shorter vocational courses that were funded by public funds (maybe partly directly through taxes on the industries set to benefit from those skills).

Governments and universities have been been trying very hard to get employers involved in training young people and their staff.

If you bother reading other threads on this board there are posters who explain why it's not economically viable for their private small business to have apprentices, which is not helped by the entitlement attitude of these people they take on.

There are also universities around the country, most of which concentrate on science and technology, who make it a requirement of their degree courses that you have either a year or spend your holidays working in industry.

Having worked with some of these students, some of them have a poor attitude unless in front of a boss while others are genuinely nice, either way they aren't particularly useful in the business.

Anyway as a businesses main aim is to make money taking on more than two students per 500 staff is a massive financial drain.

ninky wrote: »

additionally i'd consider a migration tax /fee for those who received public funding but decided to take their skills out of the country.

Very short sighted.

Believe it or not my first job in one of my present careers was aboard. I subsequently used the industrial experience I gained there to come back and work in the UK. I also have many friends who have spent 1-5 years aboard in various careers gaining experience that they later returned to use in the UK. Since some of them work in healthcare and other parts of the public sector, the general public gained.

The fact that jobs for life don't exist any more mean lots of people use freedom of movement in the EU and their British passport to take up job opportunities around European and the world.