what sort of government uses water cannon on protestors?

Really2

ninky wrote: »

who cares about the royal bleeding car?

Yes a 1977 hand made car given to the queen for her silver jubilee, who cares?
Did you not talk about the merits of art as a degree yet you don't see such a machine as art.

wotsthat

what is more important - allowing people to be educated on merit not wealth or some inherited notion of royalty and someone who has married into that being protected at taxpayers expense?

Just hang on a minute young sonny jim fella me lad.

If you've got anything bad to say about Camilla you can just about say it to me first.

ninky_2

Really2 wrote: »

So, I would like to here your solution ninky.

at the moment we are likely to see a two tier system where the wealthy can afford to pay for the best courses.

i'd prefer to see a system whereby public funding is available for fewer degree courses but there is a stricter entrance criteria (not necessarily just exam results based). i'd like to see the most able students be funded to do these courses.

i'd then allow a second tier of courses for which there was no (or much lower) funding for the less able should they choose.

i'd also increase the number of shorter vocational courses that were funded by public funds (maybe partly directly through taxes on the industries set to benefit from those skills).

additionally i'd consider a migration tax /fee for those who received public funding but decided to take their skills out of the country.

Really2

ninky wrote: »

at the moment we are likely to see a two tier system where the wealthy can afford to pay for the best courses.

i'd prefer to see a system whereby public funding is available for fewer degree courses but there is a stricter entrance criteria (not necessarily just exam results based). i'd like to see the most able students be funded to do these courses.

i'd then allow a second tier of courses for which there was no (or much lower) funding for the less able should they choose.

i'd also increase the number of shorter vocational courses that were funded by public funds (maybe partly directly through taxes on the industries set to benefit from those skills).

additionally i'd consider a migration tax /fee for those who received public funding but decided to take their skills out of the country.

Not the question, Labour introduced fees and would also be likely to put them up now.

What is your solution to what is happening, Imagine labour are in power what would they have done differently in these riots?

System

ninky wrote: »

who cares about the royal bleeding car? i'm more worried about the cost of the royal car. what is more important - allowing people to be educated on merit not wealth or some inherited notion of royalty and someone who has married into that being protected at taxpayers expense?

graffitti can be cleaned off. lost futures are harder to replace. and that is what is at stake here.

I care, my taxes are paying for all the damage that's been caused by unwashed morons.

Like I said, all the cleanup cost should come directly from student funding. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree.

Orpheo

Damn those who stand up for themselves. They should bend over and take it like the rest of you.

ninky_2

if you look at times when there is mass protest / riots it is usually due to some very genuine reason. there aren't enough crazy extremists to create the situation without large numbers of ordinary people being motivated to stand up against a perceived wrong / wrongs.

it's time the government started listening instead of trying to turn attention to royal cars and graffitti.

aardvaak

vaporate wrote: »

That;s alright, they can just claim benefits and take your tax money instead lol.

If they are that lawless they possibly won't obey the dole rules so will get kicked out hopefully on the streets

ninky_2

chucky wrote: »

they are two seperate issues Ninky.

being educated is a fundamental right or opportunity - it's not something that only the financially better off people can afford to do.

the violence part is due to people not getting the fundamental right - this comes from somewhere, it's not just happened because they feel like causing a criminal offence, it's happened because there is something very wrong with what the government are doing...

it soon will be when it comes to higher education. to my mind too many thick 'posh' people do degrees and not enough able people from disadvantaged backgrounds. this is likely to only become worse with these condem measures. oxbridge already recruits 92 percent of students from the top 3 social classes. we already have problems with equality of opportunity in the uk. no need to make it worse.

vaporate

Really2 wrote: »

So the other solution was carry on spending and see what happens, I think that was done from 2001 onwards.
The debt is the result of that not the credit crunch.

And the Tories are the cure? lol

Get real.