Hate Ebay? How you can help me.

custardy

oh and i just noticed this

Oh.. Spammers.. If you see a spammer of someone selling fake goods or something that should not be on the site then let us know.We will suspend the account.They will have to prove to US that they are otherwise.

so if i report an item as being fake.you suspend the account till they prove otherwise?

soolin

KChildheart wrote: »

:rotfl:

Admin! Please confirm we're not the same person?


You should look harder for my posts. Because I'm still waiting for an answer on that topic.

WE don't have to look harder for your posts it is easily possible for any user to bring them all up on the same page.

However whether or not you are the same person really is quite immaterial. The OP has a fixed set of answers and will not deviate from them even to answer a valid point raised by someone else. Havig seen several auctions launched now only to sink into oblivion I seriously worry about the time and money OP could be wasting here.

Obviously I'm sure the OP would welcome us all saying 'yes that's great what a wonderful idea', but what good what that do him. We've seen these auction sites come and go, yes maybe we are blase but to us this is just another attempt at a market where no one is suceeding.

I am responding from a pointt here where my online money is made mainly via ebay, with some sales on Amazon (they tailed off so I gave up pro merchant status about 5 weeks ago). However I have had accounts with Cqout and i still have accounts with Ebid and Priceminster. So I am the target audience here, I'll open an account anywhere that might give me a new market. However I do not believe this one has naything at all that makes it stand out.

If I were looking to open a new site I would concentrate on a niche market, be a big fish in a small pond rather that a stickleback in the ocean. Do something well, be the best in a particular field, get buyers and sellers that way. For example go into say toys (just a random thing it could be anything) and get as big a market as you could so that people who had toys to sell would think of you first.

Lastly, most of my fees do not come from ebay they come from paypal.

laying4profit

custardy wrote: »

oh and i just noticed this



so if i report an item as being fake.you suspend the account till they prove otherwise?

if a client reports a seller for selling fake good we would look into it. We would contact the seller eother by Phone,PM or email to give us proof that this is not the case. After all if you are legit it would be quite simple.
We would also give the seller an option to send US a sample of the said items (we would reimburse the postage and return it)
If after that we are not happy then yes the account would be suspended.

But until all of that had happened NO the account would remian live. Sorry i should have explained it a little better.:D

laying4profit

soolin wrote: »

However whether or not you are the same person really is quite immaterial. The OP has a fixed set of answers and will not deviate from them even to answer a valid point raised by someone else. Havig seen several auctions launched now only to sink into oblivion I seriously worry about the time and money OP could be wasting here.

Obviously I'm sure the OP would welcome us all saying 'yes that's great what a wonderful idea', but what good what that do him. We've seen these auction sites come and go, yes maybe we are blase but to us this is just another attempt at a market where no one is suceeding.

I am responding from a pointt here where my online money is made mainly via ebay, with some sales on Amazon (they tailed off so I gave up pro merchant status about 5 weeks ago). However I have had accounts with Cqout and i still have accounts with Ebid and Priceminster. So I am the target audience here, I'll open an account anywhere that might give me a new market. However I do not believe this one has naything at all that makes it stand out.

If I were looking to open a new site I would concentrate on a niche market, be a big fish in a small pond rather that a stickleback in the ocean. Do something well, be the best in a particular field, get buyers and sellers that way. For example go into say toys (just a random thing it could be anything) and get as big a market as you could so that people who had toys to sell would think of you first.

Lastly, most of my fees do not come from ebay they come from paypal.

I would not worry about the time and money i am putting into this. But thanks for the concern.
I know that this is not your cup of tea, and i can see why.You as a business rely on the income from Ebay to support your living. Thats fine.You are the type of client Ebay wants. They want to drive out the smaller people and keep all of the bigger businesses.
If say my site did become a success it would offer a place where sellers could offer as many items as they like for nothing. No fees to pay at all. So this is good for the seller. Which means sellers will want to list as its free. The seller wont care about the fee imposed on the buyer. This could be used to secure a deal by saying you as the seller would pay for the buyer fee.
On Ebay the margins for some of the people on there are so tight they cannot discount them anymore. So you have to factor in the fees. Well as a seller you can still do this on my site but if you wanted to pay for the buyer fee you could.
And look at what Ebay are doing. They try and swerve the seller to offer Free P&P when in reality this does not exist. Why are they doing this... For the seller.. NO Ebay are doing this because by you offering free p&p it make the offer sound more attractive to the buyer. And IF you make the sale EBAY get more comission for your sale. Remember Ebay make NOTHING on p&p.

Ebay are not interested in the Seller at all. if they were then they would look after them a little better than they do dont you think.
look at all of the fees imposed on a seller on Ebay.. years ago it was plain and simple. But they added other things to (Improve) profits. And they have said they are going to be working over the market place over the next 3 years..
Ebay make more money from Paypal than they do the Auction site.They want paypal to me the main payment method because they will make twice the profit. look at the payment methods that disapeared over the years..
It should be the SELLERS right to advertise how they want to not Ebays. It should be the SELLERS right to ask for any payment they like,not ebays.

This is how or where Ebay is heading in case you didnt know.
The company's eBay Marketplaces business is expected to achieve revenues of $5 billion to $7 billion, in 2011, with a continued shift toward more fixed price sales, a smaller online auction business, and more growth in other ecommerce formats such as classifieds and advertising. To drive long-term incremental growth, eBay Marketplaces also is more aggressively targeting the $500 billion global "secondary" market, which includes liquidation, out of season, excess and off-price inventory. We believe this is a fast-growing segment uniquely suited to eBay's strengths.

See. They will want to be like Amazon.

Did you know that Ebay aquired MILO? This will also show you they are heading for the Fixed price Main retailers.
SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--eBay Inc. (Nasdaq: EBAY) today announced it has acquired Milo, a leading local shopping engine that provides consumers access to accurate, real-time, local store inventory and pricing, giving them even more choice and flexibility when shopping online. By acquiring Milo and integrating its technology into the eBay.com platform and mobile offerings, eBay will be able to provide consumers with access to millions of products from approximately 50,000 stores across all 50 U.S. states. Additionally, eBay sellers will have the opportunity to reach more shoppers.

So there you have it.
Ebay are going to end up a fixed price business only site, with classifieds and adverts all over the place.
The Auction part will die out.

custardy

laying4profit wrote: »

if a client reports a seller for selling fake good we would look into it. We would contact the seller eother by Phone,PM or email to give us proof that this is not the case. After all if you are legit it would be quite simple.
We would also give the seller an option to send US a sample of the said items (we would reimburse the postage and return it)
If after that we are not happy then yes the account would be suspended.

But until all of that had happened NO the account would remian live. Sorry i should have explained it a little better.:D

so you are only interested in trade sellers selling fakes?
so an individual would be fine given they cant meet your criteria?

soolin

You still fail to grasp the most important bit. The most important people on any selling platform are the buyers..honestly think about it. We sellers are not important as we cannot sell unless there are buyers. So again I ask why should buyers come to your site? Priceminster had a big relaunch in the uK and got buyers by offering free £5 vouchers, it probably cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds. That in turn encouraged sellers but once the vouchers run out so did the buyers. I didscount my stock on ebid to a point where I actually make less overall on them than I do on ebay, yet nothing sells. I don't know how much simpler I cna say it, but someone can buy an item from me on ebay for £5 but get the same item on ebid from me for say £4.25 and still I only sell that item on ebay.

I'd rather keep 80% of my money on ebay as at least is shows my stock is selling, than be offered 100% on another site but where no one is buying anything.

Forget encouraging us sellers, really forget us. Give us a site that has proven buyers, people with money to burn and we will come to your site in drives. Ebay have millions of buyers, they know they can buy with confidence and won't lose any money as 99% pay by paypal so are fully covered. Most of my fees are paypal and if i came to your site that would not change would it? Or are you sugegesting that paypal would not be pushed on your site, in which case you won;t get a single buyer as who is going to buy, even the cheapest goods, if they can't have full buyer protection?

Crowqueen

Much of what people sell are consumer durables which are not worth auctioning. If you are purely going to do this to preserve the auction format, then I'm not sure you will attract what will be your main bread-and-butter: sellers of identical mass produced bulk widgets.

As a buyer I don't care about auctions vs fixed price. There are still things that can be profitably sold at auction, but I don't care about whether I bid or buy outright - if I see a DVD set priced well on Amazon I will buy without a second thought rather than bid on it on eBay and maybe get it ten days later, maybe not (and then you have the question of whether the seller will sell for the price it's reached, or shilling or whatever else can go wrong with auctions). The only time I will bid is if I know what price it will go for anyway and that is cheaper than the current Amazon marketplace price. I haven't bid on an auction on eBay since September, and the only thing I have listed in the last few months is a DVD which I find sell better at fixed price anyway.

In this economy, consumer durables are going to sell much better than pure collectables because few people have the disposable income to buy e.g. stamps, postcards etc to put in an album and admire. I've also found out - from doing a variety of trade and horticultural fairs as a steward over the summer - that people are spending more of their money now buying hobby stuff they can actually use as well as collect. I don't see that as a negative development - I see it more as a reaction to the changes in their income. Once the economy starts to pick up, I suspect we'll see more buoyancy return to the pure collectables market, and the auction format may return.

Trying to preserve a format purely for the sake of preserving it is like trying to preserve coal-mining in an age of cleaner fuels purely to give miners jobs. Markets develop and evolve, and eBay still encourage people - particularly private sellers - to list at auction through free 99p listings and free listing days which are auction only, so I don't really see your problem. And, to be honest, if it ain't broke, don't fix it - as Soo says, the buyers go to eBay which makes it a success for sellers. Why is that such a bad thing?

martindow

laying4profit wrote: »

i just posted another comparison for someone.

Lets say you want to sell a car or a motorbike.
Adverts in the press are £10- £20 for a decent one for 2 weeks.

lets says the item is £5000
On my place it would cost you NOTHING is sales fees. The buyer gets charged £5.
You could knock this off for them. And they can pay you cash on collection.

Now heres how it goes on Ebay.

Profit/Loss
Final Value £ 5 000.00
Total eBay/PayPal Fees £ 212.11
Item Cost £ 0.00
True S&H Cost £ 0.00
Total Expenses £ 212.11
Total Selling Price £ 5 000.00
Profit/Loss £ 4 787.89

Now thats a saving. Even it you exclude the paypal fees you still would save £65 even if you knocked the £5 off for the buyer.

Give it time an Ebay will get more commision out of other areas. They dont care about the sellers. They care about the profits.
Give it time..

I want about 500 people on a list before i go for a launch. These 500 will list as many items as possible on the site prior to the launch. And businesses on ebay can Link to the store on my site.

This is a poor example as cars are a category where Ebay does not insist on Paypal and where in fact you would be foolish to take anything but cash.

Care to recalculate without PP fees?

soolin

Just so my question isn't lost in a fast moving thread. If paypal is not to be widely used how on earth are you going to persuade buyers to buy anything with no buyer protection?

I want about 500 people on a list before i go for a launch. These 500 will list as many items as possible on the site prior to the launch. And businesses on ebay can Link to the store on my site.

How many friends and family have you persuaded so far?

cyberbob

laying4profit wrote:

want about 500 people on a list before i go for a launch. These 500 will list as many items as possible on the site prior to the launch. And businesses on ebay can Link to the store on my site.

Not if they want to keep their ebay account.

ebay wrote:

Links to web pages that offer to trade, sell, or buy goods or services outside of eBay, including other auction-style websites

How are you going to persuade 500 people to list a variety if items on a site that hasn't been launched so has no customers. When they could be selling the items elsewhere where people can actually buy them. You have no advertising budget so when the site is launched those 500 sellers still wont sell anything.

As soolin said and you seem to be missing the point in any sales point the customer is the most important without customers it makes no difference how many sellers you have. Sellers go where the customers are which is why ebid is like some western ghost town with tumbleweed blowing down the streets.

I'm sorry OP I think your living in cloud cuckoo land. By your username your obviously a gambler. This isn't a gamble it's a sure fired failure.