If you really want a pay rise do this...

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

If your company offered you the same money for less work would you consider that a pay rise???

But your system doesn't work like that, you are not working any less, or getting paid any more.

You are just working for a year, taking a years worth of holiday and getting paid a years wages.

You are not gaining anything or losing anything, you are just taking your holidays when the system says you have to instead of taking them when you want to.

How is that better? Of course, you won't answer that, because you never do, you just repeat the same old drivel even though every person in here has said you are wrong.

JimmyTheWig

Pound wrote: »

How about the title of the thread which is "If you want a pay rise do this"? There's no financial gain (or loss) from this system and I think you realised this as you haven't mentioned that point for a while.

His argument is that this plan suits his (theoretical) needs better and so he is attaching some value to that, akin to a payrise.

mumbles_one

tescomilk wrote: »

I'm completely confused. Can someone who can write in simple good spelling and provide clear math please explain ...

I thought I could see a benefit of taking your holiday 2 months earlier than the last if your were coming up to your retirement for example, because over 5-6 years you would be able to push your holidays sooner, but then I realised that only works in the first year, after that its the same number of months behind you.

The way I see it:

Start job on 1st Jan 2010, take Holiday in November
Work Jan-October (10 months) + Holiday Nov (1 month) + Work Dec (1 month) = WORK 11 MONTHS, HOLIDAY 1 MONTH
Next year in 2011, Take Holiday Earlier in October
Work Jan-Septemeber (9 months) + Holiday Oct (1 month) + Work Nov & Dec (2 months) = WORK 11 MONTHS, HOLIDAY 1 MONTH
Next year in 2011, Take Holiday even Earlier in May for example
Work Jan-Apr (4 months) + holiday May (1 months) + Work Jun-Dec (7 Months) = WORK 11 MONTHS, HOLIDAY 1 MONTH

As you can see from above it still means that in each year I work 11 Months with 1 Month Holiday Off.
Where does the additional month come from?

The benefit of taking your holidays slightly earlier every year should be simple to understand, but maybe not.....
lets go back to the old example: If your company only gave you 1 day holiday every year then would you take the same day every year OR take a day slightly earlier every year????? think carefully before answering. Years ago employees only got 1 week per year and even now the USA only get 2 weeks per year. So would you take the same week every year OR take a week slightly earlier every year. Taking the week one week earlier will reduce your working weeks between holidays from 51 weeks to 50 weeks. I know it takes a bit of understanding but after some time you will get there.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

The benefit of taking your holidays slightly earlier every year should be simple to understand,

So should the benefits of taking your holidays when you want to take them and not when a system says you should.

You keep arguing that taking your holidays when a system says you should, is better than taking your holidays when a system says you should.

Now just answer this, is it better to take your holidays when you want to take them?

mumbles_one wrote: »

but maybe not.....

Definitely not.

mumbles_one wrote: »

lets go back to the old example: If your company only gave you 1 day holiday every year then would you take the same day every year OR take a day slightly earlier every year?????

I'd rather take it on the same day every year, my birthday. If I used your system I would take it a day earlier every year. So in year 2 i would have the day before my birthday off, and sit at home thinking "it's my birthday tom orrow, but I have to work"

mumbles_one wrote: »

think carefully before answering.

I wish you would think carefully before answering........Oh you do, you think carefully then decide not to answer.

Go on, try answering me for a change.

mumbles_one wrote: »

Years ago employees only got 1 week per year and even now the USA only get 2 weeks per year. So would you take the same week every year OR take a week slightly earlier every year.

Take the same week every year, right in the middle of summer, if I took it earlier I would end up taking my holidays in the winter.

mumbles_one wrote: »

Taking the week one week earlier will reduce your working weeks between holidays from 51 weeks to 50 weeks.

But the cost of that would be not being able to take your holidays when you wanted to, and that cost would be too much.

mumbles_one wrote: »

I know it takes a bit of understanding but after some time you will get there.

No, it's you who will not get there. Because you are a child who is still at school. The only holidays you have ever had is the set school holidays, you have never been able to pick your holiday dates. This is why you think taking your holidays earlier is a good idea. But those of us who are old enough to work have had experience of picking our holiday dates, and we know that is the most important thing. Getting them when you want them is for more important that getting them a little earlier.

When you grow up you will realise this, but until then you will remain a pratt.

mynameisdave

All that faffing around a better way to get a pay rise is to find adcent job with a decent salary scale and just go through the grading and earn extra holidays.

Must be worth more than starting at the bottom every couple of years.

Deeperblue

Was going to reply but decided I never want this thread to die or the OP to be proven wrong! :rotfl:

I cannot believe how long this has been going on for.

P.S. How has this never got thread of the month?

mumbles_one

Deeperblue wrote: »

Was going to reply but decided I never want this thread to die or the OP to be proven wrong! :rotfl:

I cannot believe how long this has been going on for.

P.S. How has this never got thread of the month?

Its still standing because it works. Do the math.

There are 52 weeks in a year
If you take week 52 as your week holiday every year then you work 51 weeks and get 1 week off
If you take your week one week earlier every year then you only work 50 weeks between your holidays every year.

you do the math and tell me which is better

mumbles_one

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

His argument is that this plan suits his (theoretical) needs better and so he is attaching some value to that, akin to a payrise.

By taking my holidays slightly earlier every year I could for example work on my daddy's farm for a week and invest that money earned for that week in my local building society. I would earn 1 week more interest than another person taking the same week every year also working on my daddy's farm and investing in the same building society.

That sounds like some financial value to me.

Mowgli87

Oh....My...God. Is this real?!

Mumbles, when the whole world tells you youre wrong, the majority is probably right.

Whens the best time of year to take your holiday? When you need it.

JimmyTheWig

mumbles_one wrote: »

By taking my holidays slightly earlier every year I could for example work on my daddy's farm for a week and invest that money earned for that week in my local building society. I would earn 1 week more interest than another person taking the same week every year also working on my daddy's farm and investing in the same building society.

That sounds like some financial value to me.

No, you're wrong here mumbles_one.
If this was your aim then you should take the first week available to you as holiday and work that at your daddy's farm. That would give you the most interest from your local building society.