If you really want a pay rise do this...

JimmyTheWig

telboyo wrote: »

I don't think any one really understands what the Original poster was on about.

I don't think even the OP knew what he was on about at the beginning.

Basically he is looking to take all his annual leave at once and spread those holidays evenly throughout his working life. By counting the period before he starts work (education) and after he finishes work (retirement) as non-working life then the OP has wored out that the best way to do it is to take your first holiday in December and from then on bring the holiday forward by 8 days each year.

It's not rocket science.
It's not a pay-rise.
It's not any real benefit, other than getting to do what you want. Other people have other wants, so for them this plan doesn't fit.

EssexHebridean

My goodness me this rubbish is still rumbling on? Don't tell me, the OP STILL hasn't realised that he's talking nonsense, has he?! (We'll throw a party if he ever says "Oh yes - I see what you all mean, how daft am I?!") :rotfl:

theevilfrog

Nice, I'll be trying this shortly...

thrustmaster

Working on accruals.

Say you earn 2 holiday days per month. After 10 month you have accrued 20 days holiday which equates to 1 month off. You will also accrue holidays while you are on holiday - therefore by the end of the 12 months you will still have 4 holiday days accrued which HR will then decide if they should either

a) Pay you for the remaining 4 days (becoming more rare nowadays)
b) Allow you to carry 4 days holiday into the next year (VERY rare these days)
c) Not pay you for the remaining 4 days you have as you should have used them before the end of the 12 month and nothing is carried over (most companies do this to force you to take your holidays)

If you lose those 4 days holiday then it would effectively by another 12 month before you could take your holiday again.

While, at the same time employee B used all 24 days holidays during the year (equating to more days of holiday than you). You only used 20 and lose the other 4 and cannot take holidays till 12 month after your previous holiday.

Your process is flawed - You seem to assume the company will let you carry forward holidays into the next year. Technically you are only using 20 days holiday per year and employee B is using 24 days holiday per year as well.

And as earlier mentioned in one of the 27 pages - by jumping jobs constantly, you are also hindering your potential for promotion.

mumbles -- please read this carefully. In fact, read all 27 pages carefully.

thrustmaster

Don't know why I bothered trying to explain that in the last post - judging by the response of mumbles in every one of their posts, they seem convinced that they are right and nothing can prove them wrong.

There are so many questions..

- How can you not realise this does not benefit you? You are using less holidays than you are able to per year.
- Why oh why would you want to take 4 consecutive weeks off occasionally during the winter?
- Has every job you have worked in let you carry your remaining holiday allocation into the next year?
- Again Employee A (you) takes 20 holidays per year. Employee B takes 24 holidays per year.

greektony

just wow. I'm surprised the OP ever had a job as it doesn't look like he (or she) ever went to school. Reading threads like this it becomes readily apparent that the human gene pool is beginning to stagnate.

Kierz

ive been trying to get to grips too see what would happen if you did 12 rotations of mumbles cycle versus 12 rotations of the normal "work all year have august off" cycle.

anyway, it kind of looks like its paying off, im hoping that someone can spot a problem with my data because i'll be shocked if this actually works!

Ok here is the model.:

Worker gets paid $1k every december. Workers can claim holidays once during January - December cycle.

january - october / november off [11 months]
dec paid $1k - sep / oct off
november - $2k august / sept off
october - $3k july / august off
sept - $4k june / july off
august - $5k may / june off
july - $6k april /may off
june - $7k march / april off
may - $8k feb / march off
april - $9k jan /feb off
march - dec $10k /jan off
feb - nov /cannot have december off (+1 month worked) $11k

12years*11months = 132 months to earn $11k
11 months per line, 10 months per line worked.
121 months worked, 11k paid.

january - dec /august off 1k [12 months]
january - dec /august off 2k
january - dec /august off 3k
january - dec /august off 4k
january - dec /august off 5k
january - dec /august off 6k
january - dec /august off 7k
january - dec /august off 8k
january - dec /august off 9k
january - dec /august off 10k
january - dec /august off 11k

12years*12months = 144 months to earn 11k.
12 months per line, 11 months per line worked.
132 months worked, 11k paid.

:undecided

geordie_joe

Kierz wrote: »

ive been trying to get to grips too see what would happen if you did 12 rotations of mumbles cycle versus 12 rotations of the normal "work all year have august off" cycle.

anyway, it kind of looks like its paying off, im hoping that someone can spot a problem with my data because i'll be shocked if this actually works!

Ok here is the model.:
:undecided

It seems to me that you are working on not getting paid for you holiday, which is wrong.

In a 12 month period you will get 12 months pay, no matter which month you take as a holiday or how many months there are between holidays.

Kei

OMG I did not read the whole thing - I got bored. I think everyone who responded to the OP got the right idea - he is only taking what he is entitled to as he has accrued that holiday, he cannot beat the system like he thinks he is!!!

As for whether you can carry over or be paid for holidays you don't use, it depends what is in your contract. A lot of companies like the one I work for have a 'use it or lose it' clause, so I guess you can give the OP credit for making sure he does take all of his holiday per holiday year!!!!

Cat2011

I think the OP has a very unusual holiday system, where he accrues 2days per month with no year end/beginning, presumably not being allowed to accrue more than a certain number of days at a time. So he does not have to take holiday by Dec 31st, or by Mar 31st like others.

Therefore, if earning 2 days a month:

Work 10 months, Take 20 days holiday, work 10 months take 20 days holiday etc.

Whereas another person would:
Work 11 months, take 22days holiday, work 11 months take 22 days holiday etc.

As you only earn holiday for the time you've actually worked.

The OP thought it was great that he got a holiday every 10 months, even tho his holiday was 2 days shorter.

That's the only way I can understand it anyway.