If you really want a pay rise do this...

mumbles_one

r_holmes22 wrote: »

It's because it's a completely different point from the one you made in your first post. Your system does not earn you any extra money and it does not gain you any extra holiday per year. Other than reducing the number of days you have to work between holidays by one each year, what is the benefit of this strategy?

Can you please answer this?

exactly !!!!!
Reducing the number of days you work between your holidays is obviously better than increasing the number of days you work between your holidays. Wouldn't you agree???? so if its better then it has some value. If your job only gave you one day holiday per year would you take on the same day every year ???? or take it slightly earlier every year to reduce the number of days worked between the one day holiday every year????Think about it carefully
if you would take the same day every year then there would be 364 days between your holiday . If you take an earlier day every year there would be less days worked between your holiday. Have you got it now???

destroyerofdebt2011

In common day practice mumbles your system does not work. Everyone has the same number of holidays they can take a year varying across different companies but every employee at my work has 26 days. Hey maybe if i take 1 day off every second Friday i might be a very happy destroyer. There are people who understand the tax and payroll systems and then there are mumbles.

geordie_joe

mumbles_one wrote: »

Reducing the number of days you work between your holidays is obviously better than increasing the number of days you work between your holidays. Wouldn't you agree????

NO I WOULDN'T.

why can't you get it into your thick head that you can only take the holidays you have worked for!

If you reduce the number of days between holiday, you reduce the number of days you have accrued. And therefore the number of days you are able to take.

Let's take your example.

You work 1 month and accrue 2.5 days holiday.

So you take 2.5 days holiday.

Would it not be better to work 2 months and take the whole ferking week off?

Or to put it another way, which is better, half a weeks holiday or a whole weeks holiday?

mumbles_one wrote: »

so if its better then it has some value.

BUT IT'S NOT FERKING BETTER?

mumbles_one wrote: »

If your job only gave you one day holiday per year would you take on the same day every year ???? or take it slightly earlier every year to reduce the number of days worked between the one day holiday every year????Think about it carefully

We have thought about it carefully, and you have said, several times that all the companies you have worked for would only let you take holidays after you have earned (accrued) them.

So in that example you could only take your one days holiday on the last day of the year, because you will not have earned it until you have worked the rest of the year.

You are telling people that they can't take holidays until they have accrued them, then you are trying to convince them it is better to take the holidays before they have accrued them.

THEY CAN'T FERKING DO IT!

mumbles_one wrote: »

if you would take the same day every year then there would be 364 days between your holiday .

That's because, under your system, I would not be able to take my 1 days holiday until I had worked 364 day, so I would have no choice but to wait 364 days for my holiday.

mumbles_one wrote: »

If you take an earlier day every year there would be less days worked between your holiday.

But I have to work 364 days before I've earned a holiday, if I ask for one after working only 363 days the answer will be "You can't have your holiday, you haven't worked long enough to earn it"

mumbles_one wrote: »

Have you got it now???

We got it, it's only you that hasn't got it.

Why don't you just wait until you grow up, get a job, then see how it works for yourself.

PS, I have decided that you can't be my ex-wife after all. She was bad, man she was bad, but even she couldn't do my head in the way you do.

InkZ

lol, I got up to page 7 then had to skip to the end

It can't be a payrise cause you'd have all your gains taken out when you leave

Or.... you could just take holiday when you want, then in your final year take it all in January and hope they don't notice when you leave

Emx

Sorry, I can't help it - I got dragged in because it's all so funny, even though I know trying to explain the way I see it is in vain. And I also apologise if I've repeated someone, I wasn't going to read 26 pages!

It's very clever sounding, but there is no financial gain from it, and after writing out a long argument to disprove it I realised it is nothing to do with accruing holiday.

For the sake of argument we'll say you're entitled to one month of holiday a year.
So, you start in January and ten months later take November off. The next year you take October off. The year after that September.

Yes, there is only ten months in between each holiday.

However, in that first year (Jan-Dec, off November) you have still worked 11 months out of 12.
In the second year (Jan-Dec, off October) you have still worked 11 months out of 12.
In the third year (Jan-Dec, off September) you have still worked 11 months out of 12.
I could continue...
Only once every 12 years will you only work 10 months out of 12 (and that's ignoring the fact your holiday resets every year and if you don't take it by the end of the year you lose it).

It doesn't matter that you haven't worked 11 months straight. Just because you have one month less between holidays compared to someone who keeps theirs static does not mean that you are doing any less work in a twelve month period.

All that's being done in this little trick is that the goal-posts are being moved each cycle so that it seems like it's that 1/12 year every year. Or that the goal-posts are being moved so that there is only 11 months in a year. Either way, it's a number trick.

JimmyTheWig

Emx wrote: »

Only once every 12 years will you only work 10 months out of 12 (and that's ignoring the fact your holiday resets every year and if you don't take it by the end of the year you lose it).

No, you won't be allowed to do this. Not because you won't be allowed to carry it over, but because there will be nothing to carry over. You already took your holiday that year.
The year you take your holiday in January you won't be able to take another holiday until January again. You either carry on taking them every January or you have a long gap to get back on the system.
Either way, it breaks down.
That's why mumbles later changed his plan to say that it was best (in order to have a sustained gap between all breaks (holidays, school and retirement) to bring your holiday forward by 8 days each year.

r_holmes22

mumbles_one wrote: »

exactly !!!!!
Reducing the number of days you work between your holidays is obviously better than increasing the number of days you work between your holidays. Wouldn't you agree???? so if its better then it has some value. If your job only gave you one day holiday per year would you take on the same day every year ???? or take it slightly earlier every year to reduce the number of days worked between the one day holiday every year????Think about it carefully
if you would take the same day every year then there would be 364 days between your holiday . If you take an earlier day every year there would be less days worked between your holiday. Have you got it now???

This is still nothing like the point you made in your original few posts. No pay rise, no fewer hours worked for the same money, no extra holiday. I refer you to your very own thread title "if you really want a pay rise do this". Where is the pay rise in your 'strategy'?

gerrynimo

I have had to work it out on paper, as when you read the first few pages, it is confusing and the OP's statement of working only 10 days between holidays rather then 11 does give the impression of some gain.

However, all that happens is that over a 12 year period, the OP will have worked 2 X 11 months and 11 x 10 months. This equals to 132 months worked over 12 years.

Any other "normal" person, that say takes a month holiday in december every year (so not following OP's system) will have worked 12 x 11 months over 12 years, also equaling 132 months worked in total!

So there is absolutely no gain over a 12 year period!!

Sconelover

Interesting idea but I've never worked for a company where this would really be viable.

Catslovelycats

Become a school teacher.
We have holidays coming out of our ears.
And you get a break every 6-8 weeks.

(said with sarcasm)