If you really want a pay rise do this...

mynameisdave

mumbles_one wrote: »

Its still standing because it works. Do the math.

There are 52 weeks in a year
If you take week 52 as your week holiday every year then you work 51 weeks and get 1 week off
If you take your week one week earlier every year then you only work 50 weeks between your holidays every year.

you do the math and tell me which is better

Your maths is crap. Nobody is going to get the same result as you because you are using false data. The year last 52 weeks whenever you take your holiday.

You still need to work the weeks after the holiday to complete the holiday year this is what you fail to grasp.

fs110

I really dont know why everyone is disagreeing with Mumbles. I asked my boss today if this strategy would work using our holiday system.

She looked at me like i was crazy and sent me to the doctor. The doctor told me i was stressed and prescibed one month off work every year with the rather odd proviso that each year i take the month before the one that i took the previous year.

I now only work 10 months before another 'stress' break. I dont even need to use my holidays.

It clearly works. Well done Mumbles.

Little_Miss_Uni-Debt

Mumbles, this strategy does not work. You say in this you would work 10 months and then have 1 month off but then what do you do in month 12? Nothing? No, you go back and work.

I totally understand what you are saying but there is NO pay off.

You're saying by moving your month hols one month earlier each month eventually you would end up with 2 months hol in the same holiday year i.e one at the start of the 12 months and 1 at the end.

However this is the point where HR would find out. So you leave. What in fact you are doing is leaving before the pay off occurs.

As other have said too, if you take a full months hol and have only worked 10 months you would get some deducted out of your final pay. So you don't even get extra hols.

There is no extra cash and no extra hols taken in this strategy therefore there is no benefit.

I even drew a diagram to prove it to myself. Nice try, but no cigar

mumbles_one

Little_Miss_Uni-Debt wrote: »

Mumbles, this strategy does not work. You say in this you would work 10 months and then have 1 month off but then what do you do in month 12? Nothing? No, you go back and work.

I totally understand what you are saying but there is NO pay off.

You're saying by moving your month hols one month earlier each month eventually you would end up with 2 months hol in the same holiday year i.e one at the start of the 12 months and 1 at the end.

However this is the point where HR would find out. So you leave. What in fact you are doing is leaving before the pay off occurs.

As other have said too, if you take a full months hol and have only worked 10 months you would get some deducted out of your final pay. So you don't even get extra hols.

There is no extra cash and no extra hols taken in this strategy therefore there is no benefit.

I even drew a diagram to prove it to myself. Nice try, but no cigar

Then draw this diagram.

Pretend you are self employed and only can afford to take ONE week holiday every year. If you are self employed then you don't have to pretend.

Take the same week holiday every year for 40 years. Count the number of weeks worked between your one week holiday . Its always 51 isn't it?????

Now for the next 40 years take your one week holiday 1 week earlier every year. Starting week 51 the first year and then week 50 the next and every year one week earlier . Count the number of weeks worked between your holidays. Its always 50 isn't it???

Now can you see that all things considered its better to take the one week slightly earlier every year rather than work 51 weeks between holidays????
There must be a math teacher out there somewhere to explain this to you????

Mr_Smith_3

I had to read every comment on the first page to understand this one, and then I was still very disappointed after the great title of the topic hooked me in

wotsthat

mumbles_one wrote: »

Now can you see that all things considered its better to take the one week slightly earlier every year rather than work 51 weeks between holidays????
There must be a math teacher out there somewhere to explain this to you????

What if I was a maths teacher and could only take school holidays?

Would it be better to have 5 weeks holiday a year and use your method or to stay with the 12 weeks holiday?

Shotgun_Rider

I've only just seen this thread and can't believe it's been running since last November!

Mumbles_one is a troll surely? Hopefully you're not from Mumbles in Wales and if you are then I apologise to all the people on this forum on behalf of the people from Wales.

Year 1 take holidays in December
Year 2 November
Year 3 October
Year 4 September
Year 5 August
Year 6 July
Year 7 June
Year 8 May
Year 10 March
Year 11 February
Year 12 January
Year 12 December.

This is how the system would work as I see it. In year 12 you would have to take two years of holidays in one year. That's not going to happen though is it especially as for some reason you'll have already left the company by then!

I, like most of the sane people of this forum take their holidays when I want and need them, not on the off chance that I might get an extra month off after 12 years.

Sorry if this has been said before but there was no way on earth that I was going to read the entire thread.

mumbles_one

Shotgun_Rider wrote: »

I've only just seen this thread and can't believe it's been running since last November!

Mumbles_one is a troll surely? Hopefully you're not from Mumbles in Wales and if you are then I apologise to all the people on this forum on behalf of the people from Wales.

Year 1 take holidays in December
Year 2 November
Year 3 October
Year 4 September
Year 5 August
Year 6 July
Year 7 June
Year 8 May
Year 10 March
Year 11 February
Year 12 January
Year 12 December.

This is how the system would work as I see it. In year 12 you would have to take two years of holidays in one year. That's not going to happen though is it especially as for some reason you'll have already left the company by then!

I, like most of the sane people of this forum take their holidays when I want and need them, not on the off chance that I might get an extra month off after 12 years.

Sorry if this has been said before but there was no way on earth that I was going to read the entire thread.

In my case moving my holidays one month earlier every year worked fine, but in other cases it might be better to take holidays using a less aggressive approach. Remember my old example of "imagining" you only have 1 day holiday per year and deciding what day of the year is the most beneficial for your 1 day per year. "If you take 31 december every year then you work 364 days between your holidays (leap years not included) whereas if you take your holiday one day earlier every year then you only work 363 days between your holidays."

simple huh ???

juniorhamish

Oh My God... I just started reading this thread and can't believe how totally dumb you are. I am here to save the day and point out where you are going wrong.

You
Year 1
January +2
February +2
March +2
April +2
May +2
June +2
July +2
August +2
September +2
October +2
November +2
December +2 One Month Off <---- Holiday Entitlement = 22 days

Year 2 - Carried the 2 days from December since you only needed 22 days
January +2
February +2
March +2
April +2
May +2
June +2
July +2
August +2
September +2
October +2
November +2 One Month Off <---- Holiday Entitlement = 22 days
December +2

Year 3 - Carried the 4 days from November and December
January +2
February +2
March +2
April +2
May +2
June +2
July +2
August +2
September +2
October +2 One Month Off <---- Holiday Entitlement = 22 days
November +2
December +2

etc. etc.

Me
Year 1
January +2
February +2
March +2
April +2
May +2
June +2
July +2
August +2
September +2
October +2
November +2
December +2 One Month Off <---- Holiday Entitlement = 22 days

Year 2 - Carried the 2 days from December
January +2
February +2
March +2
April +2
May +2
June +2
July +2
August +2
September +2
October +2
November +2
December +2 One Month Off <---- Holiday Entitlement = 24 days (only 22 working days, I'll need to carry 2)

Year 3 - Carried the 4 days from December
January +2
February +2
March +2
April +2
May +2
June +2
July +2
August +2
September +2
October +2
November +2
December +2 One Month Off <---- Holiday Entitlement = 26 days (only 22 working days, I'll need to carry 4)

etc.

So as you can see from above, the difference between me and you is that you are using the 2 days you carry each year to achieve 22 days earlier than me. I am simply carrying them over. At some point down the line I will either take 2 months holiday in one year and laugh at you for being a sucker and only getting one month or I will leave the job and get given money for the additional holidays that I have accrued.

ZenUK

Good idea! thanks Mumbles