If you really want a pay rise do this...

mumbles_one

crafty*kate wrote: »

OMG this is the most confusing thing I have ever read!

It doesn't make any difference when I book my holiday....between 1st Jan and 31 Dec I get 25 days holiday. I can use those days at any point in the year. If I leave halfway through the year, but have already used my whole holiday entitlement, then my final pay will be adjusted accordingly. Otherwise it doesn't make any difference.

Besides which, I have never worked for a company who routinely let employees take 4 weeks off at a time.

This system does not get you more days holiday than you are entitled. It just reduces the number of days you work between holidays which in itself is the same as a pay rise. You can take 1 month 1 week or 1 day just don't take the same days every year. Take the holidays earlier every year.

bengalknights

mumbles_one wrote: »

so in your case.
join company on 1 april and book 1 month holiday in december
next year work for 10 months and then book 1 months in november
then work december up to end of september (I think you will find that is 10 months) take 1 month
then ................... I think you get the idea and for the next 8 years you will only be working 10 months before you get 1 month holiday . Even if with your inflexible holiday scheme you have to then carry on taking your holidays in April for the rest of your life with that company you will have made a profit for those first 8 years. Don't stay too long with companies as I have said many times before

Join Company on 1 april book 1 month in december leaves you no holidays between Jan and April

Following year leave as you only work 10 months you wont be able to book all of november off as there is not enough holiday accrued unless you take unpaid leave

Following year the same not enough holidays or you take unpaid leave

Therefore you have actually made a loss by not working a full year as your 28 days holiday would be 24 which would not cover whole month by working less months.

Make Sense???

alibongo42

mumbles_one wrote: »

This system does not get you more days holiday than you are entitled. It just reduces the number of days you work between holidays which in itself is the same as a pay rise. You can take 1 month 1 week or 1 day just don't take the same days every year. Take the holidays earlier every year.

Ahhhh. I see! We've all been confused by the wrong error!

Forget the workings. They might well be correct. It is the underlying assumption that less days between holidays equals a payrise that is incorrect. And it's only taken us 40 odd threads to get there!

The only way this would equal a payrise is if you were working less days/taking more holidays than allowed. Which the quote above confirms you are not.

Stand back everyone - nothing to see here!

mumbles_one

alibongo42 wrote: »

Ahhhh. I see! We've all been confused by the wrong error!

Forget the workings. They might well be correct. It is the underlying assumption that less days between holidays equals a payrise that is incorrect. And it's only taken us 40 odd threads to get there!

The only way this would equal a payrise is if you were working less days/taking more holidays than allowed. Which the quote above confirms you are not.

Stand back everyone - nothing to see here!

Draw out a comparison between 2 workers
1 takes december as a holiday every year
2 takes november then october then september then august .......

so 1 works 11 months on and 1 month off and gets the same salary as
2 who works 10 months on and 1 month off
who has the best deal???? 1 or 2

eat words please

eyeinthesky

alibongo42 wrote: »

Ahhhh. I see! We've all been confused by the wrong error!

Forget the workings. They might well be correct. It is the underlying assumption that less days between holidays equals a payrise that is incorrect. And it's only taken us 40 odd threads to get there!

The only way this would equal a payrise is if you were working less days/taking more holidays than allowed. Which the quote above confirms you are not.

Stand back everyone - nothing to see here!

Spot on! :T:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

anamenottaken

mumbles_one wrote: »

Draw out a comparison between 2 workers
1 takes december as a holiday every year
2 takes november then october then september then august .......

so 1 works 11 months on and 1 month off and gets the same salary as
2 who works 10 months on and 1 month off
who has the best deal???? 1 or 2

eat words please

So
1 works 11 months on and 1 month off = one year
2 works 10 months on, 1 month off, 1 month on = one year

Tasty?

mumbles_one

Anamenottaken please count the number of months between holidays of 1 and 2 2 will only work 10 months on and one off while 1 works 11 months on and 1 month off forever . Lets give another example supposing your birthday moved back by 1 month every year . You would have a birthday every 11 months while everyone else has a birthday every 12 months . Now to me that is 8% + better rate of birthdays than a guy with a birthday every 12 months .

real1314

Hmm, it all works well, so long as you ignore the final year.

Let's assume, by whatever ratio that 11 months of work + 1 month of holiday (which generally accrues holiday entitlement) earns a full month of holiday.
Year 1 Start Jan, work 11 months, take Dec off.
Year 2 Work Jan - Oct, take Nov off - oops we've anticipated holidays earned in Dec
Year 3 Work Jan- Sept, take Oct off, anticiapting Nov & Dec holidays...

.....carry on until

...Year 12, Take Jan off, anticipating all holidays for rest of year. Get no more time off.

Can now only take holidays in Jan by anticipating rest of year's holidays.

You leave the business in Year 12 at end of Jan after taking holidays, HR point out you haven't earned them and take back your wages for Jan.

You worked 11 years + 1 month on holiday, you got 11 years pay, you didn't get the final 1 month holiday pay. You gained nothing.

If you left at any point, you'd have your pay reduced for anticipated holidays.

If you work there until you retire, you end up doing the final year with no holidays.

It doesn't work. They only way it "might" work is if you change jobs and you've taken more than you were entitled to and no-one notices or bothers to adjust your wages.

You've failed to grasp that there has to be an end point to your equation, and have failed to account for it.

Matt E Matisian

eyeinthesky

mumbles_one wrote: »

Draw out a comparison between 2 workers
1 takes december as a holiday every year
2 takes november then october then september then august .......

so 1 works 11 months on and 1 month off and gets the same salary as
2 who works 10 months on and 1 month off
who has the best deal???? 1 or 2

eat words please

You are still not getting it are you? You are not getting any more time off, nor are you getting any more salary in your working year. Regardless of how it is calculated, you are getting an annual salary which includes a holiday entitlement based on 12 months work. If you take the accrued holiday after 10 months then there is no gain.

My employer pays me for 25 days holiday per year. Public/bank holidays are in addition to this, but my annual salary includes these days. It does not matter when the holidays are taken, the salary remains the same.

mumbles_one

not so as holidays are built up using a days per month formula . as long as you have not taken more days than whatever your companies formula is .......then there is no problem

and of course if you can't find another job before 12 years then maybe this system is not for you