UK Parking Patrol Office, Manchester

aaraiz

Yeah I told him already, so basically the new law is still the same but I read, according to the new law the reg keeper must provide the name of the driver if he wasnt driving otherwise he is liable to pay the charge.

taffy056

The new rules have changed where the registered keeper is invited to name the driver, there is no must, there is no law requiring it. If the RK ignores it all then technically he could become liable if the parking company went to court. Let me show you a couple of stats that we know occurred in 2011

1.8m fake tickets given
845 small claims issued
49 (forty nine) before a judge
25 (twenty five) for the registered keeper/driver
24 for the parking company


So you do the maths, they don't do court, this won't change in 2012, 2013, or 2014 or ever

ManxRed

aaraiz wrote: »

Yeah I told him already, so basically the new law is still the same but I read, according to the new law the reg keeper must provide the name of the driver if he wasnt driving otherwise he is liable to pay the charge.

You're ALMOST there. If the RK doesn't name the driver, he will be pursued by the parking company instead of the driver. He's not liable to pay the charge though, that's a contractual penalty which would be chucked out of court.

Oh, and the PPC probably doesn't even have the sufficient occupation rights of the land in question to pursue anyone for anything.

Coupon-mad

aaraiz wrote: »

Yeah I told him already, so basically the new law is still the same but I read, according to the new law the reg keeper must provide the name of the driver if he wasnt driving otherwise he is liable to pay the charge.

We know, we have been discussing it since it was first put forward as the Freedoms Bill two years ago. But no-one is 'liable to pay the charge'.

We answer this question about the 'new law' every single day. It just means that the registered keeper and the driver can both ignore the scam together!

Here is yesterday's advice, it will be same as tomorrows and was the same a month ago...:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4277299

...to save me typing it all out of copy/pasting, please read the advice there. Mine was post #4 and says the same thing as we've said all along.

In that thread the OP has decided to appeal to the second stage using POPLA (then ignore it if the ticket isn't cancelled). There are dozens of threads about that option too.

aaraiz

Thanks Coupon-mad, is RK still not obliged to give any information if he/she claims that it wasnt him or her driving at the time like the old days?

RENEGADE_2

The situation is, any legal charge becomes the responsibility of the keeper in much the way this is the case with authorities. Ultimately a driver will need to pay his penalty for parking on a double-yellow but if he doesn't, the keeper becomes liable and this is powered by statute.

In the case of private parking companies, we have a case where they impose an illegal demand: since it is illegal, nobody has to pay it. However if they were being fair and only seeking the £1 which the driver never paid to park all day on a car park, then yes they could pursue the keeper and they'd have everybody's sympathy there.

But this never happens....

RENEGADE_2

...so it is noit about the RK being obliged to name someone, it is about lawful charges becoming his legal responsibility. But like I said, there are no lawful charges in that outfit.

aaraiz

Thank you very much, I will update you guys if I receive any letters for my dad from these scammers

aaraiz

I received a letter today from these scum bags saying if I dont pay them within 28 days £100 or tell them if I was not the driver than I would need to pay £150 once this period is over.

I'm quite upset with the situation, should I tell them it wasnt me who was driving and give them some xyz name and address of our other property and once they send the letter there I reply them saying that this person moved home ?

Please advise,

Thanks

Stroma

Just ignore them, you don't have to pay them anything, if you wait long enough you'll get a 100% discount, that means not getting upset and actually laughing at their hysterical attempts to scam you. Would it help if you thought of them as Nigerian parking patrol office? because basically you would ignore a nigerian prince asking you for money, wouldn't you?