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reniannen

I'm not really feeling it but if the twin is New York then the capital and Southern rival would be Washington DC. The Washington monument is occasionally referred to as a stele and was raised to commemorate the founding father of the USA. It was completed in 1885 and the Statue of Liberty back in New York was raised the next year, 1886. Can't find anything that goes with victory though or any famous sea journeys starting in 1886.

Marg2k8

I reckon that we are on the right track with New York. Looking again at the first line, perhaps "any clone" could be read as "a N.Y. clone"

Marg2k8

Searching for "Victory and Liberty" has brought up this:-

http://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=7081

Don't know yet if it ties in at all.

ClosingTime

Im back up in Pennsylvania! Im very muddled now as I cant remember how I got here tbh ! The 'History 'part I remember here I got v Excited but cant remember why!! Lots of New York,shifting of capitals/capitols etc but am a bit frazzled now :eek:

SheepAreEvil

I went a slightly different way by skipping ahead

I searched victory and liberty :- The Victory and Liberty Monument at the Tysiąclecia Sq. (locally known as "The Eagle") by the Chrzanovian sculptor Marian Konarski. It was raised in 1971 in memory of the residents of Chrzan!w who fell during World War II.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrzan%C3%B3w

and searched wild sea :- Baltic was called the "Wild-ze" meaning "wild sea".
from http://webspace.webring.com/people/gu/um_5655/geneaology.html

which kept me in the poland area but i can't connect backwards or to 38 degrees

then randomly PoW rather than prisoner of war could mean Prince of Wales which would mean the The HMS Prince of Wales from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_of_Wales_(53)

as you can probably tell i've gone link crazy and still can't get past clone really, although also started by thinking the US and washington/montgemery north south etc when i first read the clue.

hmm!?!?!?

Cmdr_Bond

reniannen wrote: »

I'm not really feeling it but if the twin is New York then the capital and Southern rival would be Washington DC. The Washington monument is occasionally referred to as a stele and was raised to commemorate the founding father of the USA. It was completed in 1885 and the Statue of Liberty back in New York was raised the next year, 1886. Can't find anything that goes with victory though or any famous sea journeys starting in 1886.

I have to say that that SOUNDS very plausible.

Cmdr_Bond

I wonder if the "prone" part, although there to rhyme with clone, is referring to the flattening of the Twin Towers?

Cmdr_Bond

RE: Victory and Liberty -

Wikipedia_-_Statue_of_Liberty wrote:

...

During World War II, the statue remained open to visitors, although it was not illuminated at night due to wartime blackouts. It was lit briefly on December 31, 1943, and on D-Day, June 6, 1944, when its lights flashed "dot-dot-dot-dash," the Morse code for V, for victory.

...

Cmdr_Bond

I'm just burbling now - 38 Degrees I can't quite link yet, although there have been some good suggestions so far.

38 degrees is the angle at which an Avalanche happens.



Starting at the Prime Meridian heading eastwards, the 38th parallel north passes through:
38°0′N 0°0′E Mediterranean Sea Passing just north of the island of Marettimo, Italy
38°0′N 12°19′E Italy Islands of Levanzo and Sicily
38°0′N 15°25′E Mediterranean Sea Strait of Messina
38°0′N 15°38′E Italy
38°0′N 16°8′E Mediterranean Sea Ionian Sea - passing between the islands of Kefalonia and Zakinthos, Greece
38°0′N 21°16′E Greece Passing through Athens
38°0′N 24°2′E Aegean Sea
38°0′N 24°14′E Greece Islands of Petalioi and Euboea
38°0′N 24°34′E Aegean Sea Passing just north of the island of Andros, Greece
38°0′N 27°7′E Turkey
38°0′N 44°17′E Iran
38°0′N 48°55′E Caspian Sea
38°0′N 53°49′E Turkmenistan
38°0′N 55°17′E Iran
38°0′N 57°22′E Turkmenistan Passing just north of Ashgabat
38°0′N 66°38′E Uzbekistan
38°0′N 68°17′E Tajikistan
38°0′N 70°19′E Afghanistan
38°0′N 71°16′E Tajikistan
38°0′N 74°54′E People's Republic of China Xinjiang Qinghai Gansu Inner Mongolia Ningxia Inner Mongolia Shaanxi Shanxi - passing just north of Taiyuan Hebei - passing just south of Shijiazhuang Shandong
38°0′N 118°58′E Yellow Sea Passing just north of Baengnyeong Island, South Korea
38°0′N 125°7′E North Korea Ongjin Peninsula
38°0′N 125°35′E Yellow Sea Ongjin Bay
38°0′N 125°46′E North Korea
38°0′N 126°49′E South Korea
38°0′N 128°44′E Sea of Japan (East Sea)
38°0′N 138°14′E Japan Island of Sado
38°0′N 138°33′E Sea of Japan (East Sea)
38°0′N 139°14′E Japan Island of Honshū
38°0′N 140°55′E Pacific Ocean
38°0′N 123°1′W United States California Nevada Utah Colorado Kansas Missouri Illinois Indiana Kentucky West Virginia Virginia
38°0′N 76°28′W Chesapeake Bay
38°0′N 75°53′W United States Maryland Virginia
38°0′N 75°16′W Atlantic Ocean Passing between Pico and São Miguel islands, Azores, Portugal
38°0′N 8°51′W Portugal Set!bal District Beja District - passing just south of Beja
38°0′N 7°12′W Spain Andalusia Extremadura Andalusia
Region of Murcia - passing just north of Murcia Valencian Community
38°0′N 0°39′W Mediterranean Sea

38th parallel Structures/Lineament

Hicks Dome 37.5°N 88.3°W
Avon 37.8°N 90.2°W
Crooked Creek 37.8°N 91.4°W
Decaturville 37.9°N 92.7°W
Hazelgreen 37.7°N 92.4°W
Weaubleau-Osceola 38.0°N 93.6°W
Rose Dome 37.7°N 95.7°W


Starting at the Prime Meridian and heading eastwards, the parallel 38° south passes through:
38°0′S 0°0′E Atlantic Ocean
38°0′S 20°0′E Indian Ocean Passing just south of Île Amsterdam, French Southern and Antarctic Lands
38°0′S 140°32′E Australia South Australia Victoria - passing through Port Phillip Bay, just south of Melbourne
38°0′S 147°42′E Pacific Ocean Tasman Sea
38°0′S 174°47′E New Zealand North Island
38°0′S 178°21′E Pacific Ocean
38°0′S 78°28′W Chile
38°0′S 71°5′W Argentina
38°0′S 57°33′W Atlantic Ocean

Cmdr_Bond

IN A CITY OF SPAS WE FIND IN ANY CLONE
A PARTNER, ONCE CAPITAL, NOW PRONE

TO LAMENT ITS STATUS LOST TO SOUTHERN RIVAL
WHOSE STELE ENSURES ITS FATHERS SURVIVAL

NEXT YEAR VICTORY AND LIBERTY WAS RAISED TO PLEASE
OR A SAD DEPARTURE ACROSS WILD SEA AT 38 DEGREES

OLDEST OF FRIENDS, FAR AWAY TO THE NORTH
A POW ONCE SALLIED FORTH

WAS FETED BY A BEAU AND INSCRIBED BY A POPE
MODEST IN SCALE AND COLOURED TAUPE!

WHAT AND WHERE AM I?

I hope you don't mind, I have copied the text out so we can copy and paste it if needs be. saves writing it every time.