Migrants took 9 out of 10 jobs created under Labour

leveller2911

Sapphire wrote: »

I'm in the same position as Diable when it comes to ancestry.

With respect, you cannot compare the situation of the British with that of the Poles vis a vis the Germans (or Russians). The Poles suffered truly unspeakable horrors during the German occupation of several years, and even had (for example) the delight of seeing more than 80 per cent of their capital systematically, deliberately destroyed by the Germans.

Terrible scars were inflicted on people like my parents and grandparents by the actions of Germany and Russia. The Poles really suffered, and got kicked in the teeth in the most vile way for their often heroic attempts to get rid of their invaders.

I do understand the horrors that occurred during both World Wars and I have the utmost respect for all of those who stood up to the Nazi regime, but the fact remains the whole EU policy of employment across the EU is not a level and fair one. Lets be honest how many people unless highly educated and highly paid move to Easten Europe to work? my guess amost none.

The truth is that the UK is the Golden Goose and Gravy train to nearly all of the poorer countries in the EU.

The EU can never be an equal playing field unless there is total integration of member states.......Which I for one hope will never happen..

Sapphire

leveller2911 wrote: »

I do understand the horrors that occurred during both World Wars and I have the utmost respect for all of those who stood up to the Nazi regime, but the fact remains the whole EU policy of employment across the EU is not a level and fair one. Lets be honest how many people unless highly educated and highly paid move to Easten Europe to work? my guess amost none.

The truth is that the UK is the Golden Goose and Gravy train to nearly all of the poorer countries in the EU.

I totally agree with you.

diable

PasturesNew wrote: »

That's a biased outlook.

My mother, born here, her ancestors had been within 2 miles of where she lived for hundreds of years, worked in the war on "war work", skilled engineering. She was highly trained to make gun sights etc. She didn't get conscripted because her work and skill was so valuable.

As soon as the war finished, she was out on her ear and back to "women's work"...

After the war, all the jobs were for the Brits who had been sent to the war to fight. They came back to their jobs. People who had been working during the war were only keeping their seats warm for them.

So it wasn't racist at all, it happened to everybody.

It's not a biased look as my Mother was shipped to a concentration camp in Russia, her brother was murdered in Katyn, she managed to get out with the Polish Army and get to Persia then Africa after that to England and she enlisted in to the PAF (Polish Airforce) and listened to Churchill talk about freeing Poland from Nazi occupation but at the end of the day he allied himself to the Russians and to appease Stalin denied my Mother the right to march in the victory parade and all the other Poles who fought her.

A lot of these things are not in history books as it all brushed under the carpet.

Your mother went back to women's work in her own country, my Mother lost hers and also when my father left Poland in 39 he never ever saw his Mother again and she died in 59.

Yes a lot of Poles have come over they are in Germany and France as well but I suppose if England had helped us in 45 to be free then we wouldn't have to come the the UK and work. Every action has a reaction and this is a consequence of the decisions made at Yalta.


I think this thread should be left now, the only thing that is true is that Labour bought votes and wanted to social engineer this country the same as the Tories bought voters when selling off council houses and at the end of the day no on has any respect for the government whoever they be and us as the people lower down on the scale will always end up paying for their mistakes/deliberate policies in higher taxes job losses and the feeling of being fcuked over.

Cleaver

absoluteutopia wrote: »

Better still dont let them in, i'm not scared of the R word

Just to pose a moral quandry for you: your local A&E department has a shortage of British doctors, which is often the case. God forbid, but a child or member of your family injures themselves and needs urgent emergency treatment. They are rushed to A&E but are told that they is no one to treat them, as Prime Minister Absoluteutopia banned all migrant workers.

With this in mind, do you still think it's a good idea to ban all migrant workers?

poppycod

Cleaver wrote: »

Just to pose a moral quandry for you: your local A&E department has a shortage of British doctors, which is often the case. God forbid, but a child or member of your family injures themselves and needs urgent emergency treatment. They are rushed to A&E but are told that they is no one to treat them, as Prime Minister Absoluteutopia banned all migrant workers.

With this in mind, do you still think it's a good idea to ban all migrant workers?

lets pose another question:

You are a parent in the village of Ubenki in the Botswana. Your child is suffering from malaria and yellow fever.

The last doctor in the province (over 500 square miles) has left to go to England.

Who do you turn to?

ess0two

poppycod wrote: »

Immigratoin has ruined this country.

In what way?Brits are lazy fookers at the best of times.

Cleaver

poppycod wrote: »

lets pose another question:

You are a parent in the village of Ubenki in the Botswana. Your child is suffering from malaria and yellow fever.

The last doctor in the province (over 500 square miles) has left to go to England.

Who do you turn to?

I would expect whoever was in charge of healthcare to ensure that there were a qualified and competent healthcare professionals in place to treat my local population. This could be achieved through putting in place a robust and effective training system for Botswana nationals, and then filling any gaps by importing labour from other countries where necessary.

If you want me to answer you're directly, I don't know what I'd do. Probably watch my child die I guess. But I'm not sure why banning immigrant doctors in to the UK would help the situation. Maybe you can explain how that would work? Doctors are in short supply the world over, so if we 'banned' foreign doctors, they would work in Sweeden, France, America or one of a dozen other countries.

poppycod

Cleaver wrote: »

I would expect whoever was in charge of healthcare to ensure that there were a qualified and competent healthcare professionals in place to treat my local population. This could be achieved through putting in place a robust and effective training system for Botswana nationals, and then filling any gaps by importing labour from other countries where necessary.
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This country's aim shoudl be to do the same so that we dont need any immigrants at all ever.

All vias for work should be temporary and NO immigrants must ever be allowed to stay, unless they renew for another fixed term.

Cleaver

poppycod wrote: »

This country's aim shoudl be to do the same so that we dont need any immigrants at all ever.

I completely agree with your utopian view. I'd also add that we should aim to have no criminals, a cure for cancer and everyone being lovely and well-educated. But aren't our aims and what we face in reality two different things? The bottom line is that we don't have enough doctors in this country and the reasons are multiple:

• it's not as popular a profession as it used to be
• poor decisions in changes to training
• the increasing desire for doctors to earn more money and go private
• an increase in doctors not wanting to do anti-social hours and government contracts that assist this
• poor treatment of junior docs that drives them out of the profession

These are all complex, social and deep-rooted problems that would take years and years to fix.

It all means that A&Es and wards up and down the country are short of staff, especially at night. So, what would you do about it if you ran a hospital Poppy? Would you take a utopian view and say that it shouldn't be like this whilst leaving your hospital unstaffed? Or would take on a very ambitious, eager to please, highly qualified and relatively cheap doctor from another country who is desperate to work any shifts you want them to work?

poppycod wrote: »

All vias for work should be temporary and NO immigrants must ever be allowed to stay, unless they renew for another fixed term.

You realise that a rule like this would actually hurt British companies rather than help them, right?

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