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patman99

What if I turned-up in one of your car parks and put my full car cover on?. It obscures both number plates nicely. You would be stuffed then ehh?.

For the record, only a Police officer with good reason can remove an item obstructing a number plate.

Livingthedream

patman99 wrote: »

What if I turned-up in one of your car parks and put my full car cover on?. It obscures both number plates nicely. You would be stuffed then ehh?.

For the record, only a Police officer with good reason can remove an item obstructing a number plate.

Wouldn't he just wait, then when you start to remove the cover he will note the number plate.

Hadeon

Stigy wrote: »

I would recognise the driver should I see him or her again, and this will be enough to complete a statement, as my notes would corroberate this. I would expect a "No Comment" Q&A session, but that doesn't matter either.

Stigy wrote: »

With a bit of clever questioning I'm sure I'd get the truth. It's amazing how many people will either admit that they parked there that morning, or would give a No Comment interview, either is ok in my book. As for the lack of details, well that really doesn't matter what's said under questioning.

My posts are a direct response & challenge to your above comments.
Should you feel I need to clarify matters to you even further, then my point is again made, & indeed reinforced.

Stigy wrote: »

Hadeon wrote: »

Niether do you judging by the state of your post above...

There really is no need to be so rude. I'm not a Lawyer or a post grad law student or whatever you lot all are. I'm just a guy earning an honest living, who, contrary to popular belief, and supported by other posts relating to his work, does actually know what he's doing...:j

Actually I do, which is why I am moved to respond to your posts.
No rudeness expressed, intended or implied.

sassy_one

Think someone is clearly too hooked on issuing 'unenforceable' 'invoices' and believes that their job is making the better for everyone, specially themselves.

To me, sounds like they are getting so much out of extorting money from people using private car parks, after all they would issue one of those enforceable 'invoices' in all those car parks they work in - is that all of 0 or 1? and if you failed o stop and drove off they would simply 'catch' you the next day and report you for a bylaw offence under section 14, that may not apply to that car park, even though you may not have been the driver of that car the day previous.


May I point out, any member of Railway staff reporting any person for a section 14 Bylaw offence that does not apply to that station car park, is liable to a criminal charge of fraud.


FACT: Parking in ANY private car park INCLUDING a train station car park NOT covered by the Railway bylaw section 14, any PPC incurred as a result cannot and will not be enforced, weather you work at 1 private car or 10 or stomp your feet, no law is on your side.... you have NO power whatsoever.

Hope I have made that clear now :rotfl:

Coupon-mad

Livingthedream wrote: »

Wouldn't he just wait, then when you start to remove the cover he will note the number plate.

But the person arriving to collect the car to go home is not necessarily the person who parked the car there. And the numberplate doesn't help the stupid PPC person to prove who the driver who first parked was either. Nor does interrogating the person who comes to collect the car, making it seems as if the Parking Notice issuing goon is some sort of gestapo officer.

PPCs have to be able to prove who the driver was who entered & parked, and show that that person should have seen the clear and visible, contractual signage, and show that the t&cs were contravened, and that those t&cs were fair and that the amount 'charged' is not just a dressed up penalty (course it isn't guv!) and that the PPC hasn't intimidated & threatened a person to pay the fake ticket.

Chasing after the person who eventually reclaims the car that day, or looking at the numberplate alone and applying to the DVLA for the registered keeper's details does NOT give the PPC any info about the original driver.

In my experience with pepipoo threads, REAL Railway Bylaws parking tickets are as rare as hen's teeth. Meteor are a common PPC which patrols Railway car parks and they like to pretend they act within Railway Bylaws - but they don't.

sassy_one

Coupon-mad wrote: »

But the person arriving to collect the car to go home is not necessarily the person who parked the car there. And the numberplate doesn't help the stupid PPC person to prove who the driver who first parked was either. Nor does interrogating the person who comes to collect the car, making it seems as if the Parking Notice issuing goon is some sort of gestapo officer.

PPCs have to be able to prove who the driver was who entered & parked, and show that that person should have seen the clear and visible, contractual signage, and show that the t&cs were contravened, and that those t&cs were fair and that the amount 'charged' is not just a dressed up penalty (course it isn't guv!) and that the PPC hasn't intimidated & threatened a person to pay the fake ticket.

Chasing after the person who eventually reclaims the car that day, or looking at the numberplate alone and applying to the DVLA for the registered keeper's details does NOT give the PPC any info about the original driver.

In my experience with pepipoo threads, REAL Railway Bylaws parking tickets are as rare as hen's teeth. Meteor are a common PPC which patrols Railway car parks and they like to pretend they act within Railway Bylaws - but they don't.

Tell you what, If I ever get clamped, I remove the clamp as I will not be extorted for money and be intimidated, and IF and only IF, it went to court for a criminal damage claim, I'd tell the judge the facts surrounds these little people issuing PPC's and let him judge who and who isn't in the right.

Livingthedream

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Chasing after the person who eventually reclaims the car that day, or looking at the numberplate alone and applying to the DVLA for the registered keeper's details does NOT give the PPC any info about the original driver.

Thanx Coupon-mad, knew there would be a simple answer to my question.

Coblcris

"Unfortunately that would mean me pretty much identifying myself..." - Stigy


Such reticence tells its own tale.

Are you the sole operative ? What happens on your days off ?
When you go on holiday ? During your off-shift hours ?

The tale is clear.

Stigy

patman99 wrote: »

What if I turned-up in one of your car parks and put my full car cover on?. It obscures both number plates nicely. You would be stuffed then ehh?.

For the record, only a Police officer with good reason can remove an item obstructing a number plate.

I'd consider it very suspicious and call the BTP, given that it'll more than likely be the only car with such a cover on in the car park, and that I've never known cars to be parked up with said covers on unless of a driveway before. I'm sure this would give the Police enough grounds to remove the cover, using that old anti-terrorism chestnut. What if you were trying to conceal some nasty device?

sassy-one wrote: »

To me, sounds like they are getting so much out of extorting money from people using private car parks, after all they would issue one of those enforceable 'invoices' in all those car parks they work in - is that all of 0 or 1? and if you failed o stop and drove off they would simply 'catch' you the next day and report you for a bylaw offence under section 14, that may not apply to that car park, even though you may not have been the driver of that car the day previous.


May I point out, any member of Railway staff reporting any person for a section 14 Bylaw offence that does not apply to that station car park, is liable to a criminal charge of fraud.


FACT: Parking in ANY private car park INCLUDING a train station car park NOT covered by the Railway bylaw section 14, any PPC incurred as a result cannot and will not be enforced, weather you work at 1 private car or 10 or stomp your feet, no law is on your side.... you have NO power whatsoever.

Hope I have made that clear now :rotfl:

This is the last time I intend to say this, Sassy-kins. ALL of the car parks I cover ARE covered by Railway Byelaws. What more need be said? As for fraud, that's noting short of utter rubbish, as, if for argument's sake one of the station I cover wasn't covered by the byelaws (which all are, once again), it wouldn't make it as far as court anyway.

Coblcris wrote: »

"Unfortunately that would mean me pretty much identifying myself..." - Stigy


Such reticence tells its own tale.

Are you the sole operative ? What happens on your days off ?
When you go on holiday ? During your off-shift hours ?

The tale is clear.

And your point is?

Hadeon wrote:

My posts are a direct response & challenge to your above comments.
Should you feel I need to clarify matters to you even further, then my point is again made, & indeed reinforced.

Did I not answer your queries?

patman99

Ahhh!, but I could have also removed my numberplates and put them in the boot along with the tax disc.

On a serieuos note, as well as a car, I also own a van. When I park on the yellow lines outside my mates house the first thing I do is to stick cardboard over the number plates and an envelope over the tax disc.
It really is amusing watching the traffic wardens walking round it looking for a reg number.