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sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

Yes, minimum wagers get £26,500pa for a 37hr week. Nasty piece of work? I'm not the one who wishes ill health on those they've never met.

You sound rather !!!!!! off with the fact I have started a thread on how us drivers can fight back regards wheel clamping.

Either post something helpful and that relates to my thread or don't post at all

FACT - Wheel clampers think there all it, the law isn't on there side as recent events have proved making it a criminal offence to clamp on private land!

FACT - Removing a wheel clamp without damage to the wheel clamp is NOT criminal damage, as long as it's returned in the order it was fitted - which as stated in my earlier posts there are ways to 'lose' the clamp!


FACT - If I got a ticket in the car park your mentioning and was clamped, I wouldn't pay the release of the clamp - that's all that needs to be said


FACT - Invoices are not enforceable so anyone who gets a ticket in a train station car park that isn't covered by railway by-law can't be clamped or have the ticket enforced, the same applies for car parks operated by Euro Car Parks and supermarkets.

sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

Then they'll be prosecuted for theft and criminal damage!

I for one am glad somebody has finally been clamped! Maybe that way the company will get their "unenforceable" invoice paid, too! Most Railway Stations have notices that indicate a wheel clamp may be fixed to any vehicle without a valid ticket, along with removal fees!

The train operator I work for can organise a clamp on a first offence, although realistaically only do so on a third offence. I'm sick and tired of people whinging when they get a parking ticket, as if they have some God given right to park on privately managed property free of charge!

If I'm issuing a parking notice and the offender returns to their vehicle and starts to gob off, I merely cancel the notice and report them under the railway byelaws. Lets see them try and worm their way out of that one!

I'd simple defend your allegations when I received the letter - your words against mine and anyone who read your posts would consider you have a chip on your shoulders.

I suspect next you'll tell us you have a tape recorder going to record such events, don't worry, I park in private car parks free, a lot of us do.
Simple fact is that the invoices are not enforceable, I'd love to see you or your train company if it wasn't protected by by-laws try and enforce it.

I had 4 parking invoiced last year at my local train station for not displaying a ticket, all four were ripped up and put in the bin nearby, it goes without saying that I have never heard anything from them.... I wonder why!

Coupon-mad

Stigy wrote: »

Then they'll be prosecuted for theft and criminal damage!

I for one am glad somebody has finally been clamped! Maybe that way the company will get their "unenforceable" invoice paid, too! Most Railway Stations have notices that indicate a wheel clamp may be fixed to any vehicle without a valid ticket, along with removal fees!

The train operator I work for can organise a clamp on a first offence, although realistaically only do so on a third offence. I'm sick and tired of people whinging when they get a parking ticket, as if they have some God given right to park on privately managed property free of charge!

If I'm issuing a parking notice and the offender returns to their vehicle and starts to gob off, I merely cancel the notice and report them under the railway byelaws. Lets see them try and worm their way out of that one!

I think the exclamation mark is stuck on your keyboard...makes you sound over-excited!!!

What are you going to do when clamping is banned then?

Stigy

sassy-one wrote: »

I'd simple defend your allegations when I received the letter - your words against mine and anyone who read your posts would consider you have a chip on your shoulders.

I suspect next you'll tell us you have a tape recorder going to record such events, don't worry, I park in private car parks free, a lot of us do.
Simple fact is that the invoices are not enforceable, I'd love to see you or your train company if it wasn't protected by by-laws try and enforce it.

I had 4 parking invoiced last year at my local train station for not displaying a ticket, all four were ripped up and put in the bin nearby, it goes without saying that I have never heard anything from them.... I wonder why!

All of the car parks I deal with are covered by the byelaws, I've reported numerous different offences before and only attended court to give evidence once, and that's not because the cases were binned. Don't get me wrong, car parking enforcement is just a small part of my job.

Funny Sassy, isn't it? You appear to have somewhat of the proverbial chip on your shoulder, and you have to resort to childish behaviour when somebody says something you don't like. I think you need to take a looksy at my initial post in this thread. You'll notice how I only said you could be prosecuted for theft and criminal damage if you damaged the clamp and then stole it.

I'm not !!!!!! off, It just bugs me when I pay for my parking when I visit shopping centres etc because I'm nice like that, and yet people like you just don't bother because you know very well that a parking ticket isn't worth the paper it's written on.

What right do you have to tell me only to respond if I had something useful to say? It's not like I'm a spammer here for no good reason other than to cause trouble, I merely have an opinion, like everybody else no doubt!

taffy056

I don't condone what sassy does, for my mind if there is a fee to pay for parking it should be paid imo, the landowner has a right to charge to park on their land, but I don't pay ppc's money they try to extort out of me because of things like the wheel of my car touching the white line etc, they are scammers and their tickets are a penalty thus illegal.

sassy_one

Stigy wrote: »

All of the car parks I deal with are covered by the byelaws, I've reported numerous different offences before and only attended court to give evidence once, and that's not because the cases were binned. Don't get me wrong, car parking enforcement is just a small part of my job.

Funny Sassy, isn't it? You appear to have somewhat of the proverbial chip on your shoulder, and you have to resort to childish behaviour when somebody says something you don't like. I think you need to take a looksy at my initial post in this thread. You'll notice how I only said you could be prosecuted for theft and criminal damage if you damaged the clamp and then stole it.

I'm not !!!!!! off, It just bugs me when I pay for my parking when I visit shopping centres etc because I'm nice like that, and yet people like you just don't bother because you know very well that a parking ticket isn't worth the paper it's written on.

What right do you have to tell me only to respond if I had something useful to say? It's not like I'm a spammer here for no good reason other than to cause trouble, I merely have an opinion, like everybody else no doubt!

You clearly are very annoyed about it, perhaps a chat with your boss may help.

FACT, and it will remain fact for the good while yet after the new law came in regards clamping people on private land, that private parking INVOICES, please stop calling them 'tickets' they are nothing like a ticket nor have any enforceable means in law whatsoever, they are little invoices that you are writing out as your job, your not a ticket man working for the council or Police

Finally, If I got a invoice from you, it wouldn't be paid, that simple, nothing more need be said regards it, but I'd most certainly rip it up infront of you and drive off peacefully in know that your invoice isn't worth a thing, not in the eyes of the law, anyhow.

Perhaps you need to read up on PPC's, I'm not the only one who parks in a supermarket car park and goes for a quick look in the store next door, nor will I be the last, fact remains if PRIVATE parking firms want respect, they need to get in the law, which I doubt after recent wheel clamping events making it a criminal offence to clamp on private land, they would be able to now.


For the record, NOT all train stations are protected by rail way bylaws, I shall not advise you of the ones I know, but I know at least 5 what I can think of on top my head now, so I think you need to double check you know what bylaws are.

Stigy

sassy-one wrote: »

You clearly are very annoyed about it, perhaps a chat with your boss may help.

FACT, and it will remain fact for the good while yet after the new law came in regards clamping people on private land, that private parking INVOICES, please stop calling them 'tickets' they are nothing like a ticket nor have any enforceable means in law whatsoever, they are little invoices that you are writing out as your job, your not a ticket man working for the council or Police

Finally, If I got a invoice from you, it wouldn't be paid, that simple, nothing more need be said regards it, but I'd most certainly rip it up infront of you and drive off peacefully in know that your invoice isn't worth a thing, not in the eyes of the law, anyhow.

Perhaps you need to read up on PPC's, I'm not the only one who parks in a supermarket car park and goes for a quick look in the store next door, nor will I be the last, fact remains if PRIVATE parking firms want respect, they need to get in the law, which I doubt after recent wheel clamping events making it a criminal offence to clamp on private land, they would be able to now.


For the record, NOT all train stations are protected by rail way bylaws, I shall not advise you of the ones I know, but I know at least 5 what I can think of on top my head now, so I think you need to double check you know what bylaws are.

Sassy, something is clearly not getting through to you here. ALL of the train station car parks that I deal with ARE covered by the Railway Byelaws. That is a FACT. I don't want to come across as anything but sincere, honestly I don't, but you just are not listening to what I am saying. If you drove off after I issued as PCN to you, that's up to you as I have no legal right to hold you there. As I'm sure you're aware from your vast legal background, I as a Railway official have every right to ask you for your name and address if I believe an offence might have been committed, and you are obliged to supply these details.

If you refused and drove off, I'd simply wait for you the following morning when you wish to catch your train, and report you there and then for refusing your details and for the parking offence on the previous day. Most patrons of railway station car parks use the trains daily. Worst case scenario? You'd evade me. Big deal. I still get paid and am certainly not on any commission.

backfoot

It's time for a step back. Take a beer :beer: or seek medical help. This all sounds like a type of Stasi controlled Eastern block regime, rather than a public service

Coupon-mad

Stigy wrote: »

Sassy, something is clearly not getting through to you here. ALL of the train station car parks that I deal with ARE covered by the Railway Byelaws. That is a FACT. I don't want to come across as anything but sincere, honestly I don't, but you just are not listening to what I am saying. If you drove off after I issued a PCN to you, that's up to you as I have no legal right to hold you there. As I'm sure you're aware from your vast legal background, I as a Railway official have every right to ask you for your name and address if I believe an offence might have been committed, and you are obliged to supply these details.

If you refused and drove off, I'd simply wait for you the following morning when you wish to catch your train, and report you there and then for refusing your details and for the parking offence on the previous day. Most patrons of railway station car parks use the trains daily. Worst case scenario? You'd evade me. Big deal. I still get paid and am certainly not on any commission.

How do you know who first parked that car on arrival, the previous day? Are you assuming it's the same person who collected it later?

What do you think the initials PCN stand for, in your case?

You do come across as a gestapo figure, is this pathetic extortion REALLY necessary in a car park !!!!!!?

Stigy

Coupon-mad wrote: »

How do you know who first parked that car on arrival, the previous day? Are you assuming it's the same person who collected it later?

What do you think the initials PCN stand for, in your case?

You do come across as a gestapo figure, is this pathetic extortion REALLY necessary in a car park !!!!!!?

I would recognise the driver should I see him or her again, and this will be enough to complete a statement, as my notes would corroberate this. I would expect a "No Comment" Q&A session, but that doesn't matter either.

I'm actually a really laid back person. Some people mistake a good work ethic with being a jobswprth. A very common misconception. PCN stands for Penalty Charge Notice, and I wrote that in bold for a reason ya know....Just my sarcastic side, I do appologise. :beer: