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timbo58

I haven't got the time to look through all the threads herein and decipher who is the biggest idiot amongst those voicing their opinions of numerous byelaws as there does seem to be a LOT of general childish name calling going on.

However: after reading the main points: Do APCOA run ANY car parks that are definitely NOT covered under the Railways byelaws?
Because I haven't heard of any, APCOA were given multiple notices to run various TOCs carparks some years ago, I've never heard of them running anything else.

So, in the first instance I will have to assume that the car being ticketed and then clamped (although 4 clamps sounds distinctly OTT and a waste of resources) was done legally, under Railway byelaws.

Stigy does seem to know what he is talking about (although he also comes across as a bit power-mad, no offence S, as this is probably just an impression he has given off), however, since APCOA are legally charged with enforcing the regulations in the TOCs car park any of the railways servants would not be involved in any case, they could by all means report to APCOA any violations on parking , and naturally, to BTP etc any suspicions of strange behaviour that might be linked to terrorism/crime AND let's be honest there is/would be no need whatsoever for telling people to F -off and getting notebooks out and cautioning people: CCTV records perfectly well all that would be needed to report, no need for confrontation for it's own sake.

A lot of people who do use station car parks take the pi**, we all know this, they park badly, take up additional spaces no one else can then use, & people miss their trains because of that also.
There are a lot who will NOT pay if they feel they can get away with it or/and justify not doing so also, although they'll also be the 1st to complain when the car park is unlit, and used by boy racers and ASBO youths.

Don't get me wrong APCOA are not my favourite organisation, in the 15 years I worked for a TOC they clamped plenty of railway staff, the vast majority wrongly too! But before the car parks were 'managed' at all it was a right mess with local traders using the car parks for their own vehicles (Bath station for one) and customers.
Frankly I think parking ought to be free if you have a valid railway ticket of a substantial amount, but that's another can of worms......

geordieracer

Timbo you make one glaring error in your post. In that a PPc can issue parking tickets under the bylaw. They cannot. They can clamp but not issue tickets as these ticket s are appealable and to do someone under the bylaw you have to take them to court.

trisontana

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

By now, thanks to the stirling effort of the PPCs, everyone in the UK knows they should park between the lines, don't overstay their welcome and pay to use someone else's hard earned patch of dirt. This is a win situation for retailers who rely on traffic flow, parking capacity and legitimate customers using their facilities.

Thanks to the sterling efforts of MSE, Pepipoo, CAG and Watchdog many more people are becoming aware that if you ignore the threatening and misleading letters from PPC's, their "debt collectors" and their tame "solicitors", nothing will happen to them.

trisontana

This is the perfect answer to Messrs Arthur and Terry/Cordelia, post #17 on here

Coupon-mad

trisontana wrote: »

This is the perfect answer to Messrs Arthur and Terry/Cordelia, post #17 on here

Well it's clear to me that Terry and Arthur are IMHO none other than Perky and his chins.

It was the 'sunning himself on a beach' comment that gave him away.

Has your ex-missus got the old company now Perky? Have you retired then?

esmerobbo

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Well it's clear to me that Terry and Arthur are IMHO none other than Perky and his chins.

It was the 'sunning himself on a beach' comment that gave him away.

Has your ex-missus got the old company now Perky? Have you retired then?

You know you could be right seeing his wife got the business and the house.

Stigy

timbo58 wrote: »

Stigy does seem to know what he is talking about (although he also comes across as a bit power-mad, no offence S, as this is probably just an impression he has given off), however, since APCOA are legally charged with enforcing the regulations in the TOCs car park any of the railways servants would not be involved in any case, they could by all means report to APCOA any violations on parking , and naturally, to BTP etc any suspicions of strange behaviour that might be linked to terrorism/crime AND let's be honest there is/would be no need whatsoever for telling people to F -off and getting notebooks out and cautioning people: CCTV records perfectly well all that would be needed to report, no need for confrontation for it's own sake.

No offence taken, I'm really not power mad, I just have a good work ethic. I'm shocked to see such a well written and objective post, when you consider some of the other tripe in this thread!

Regarding what others have been saying about not knowing who parked the car in the morning, and thus having no case, well, that's where CCTV comes in handy too, and can quite legally be used to support any MG11.

I actually hate vigilante parking attendants too, but it annoys me when people park inconsiderately, especially if there's a car parked between two spaces, and no other vacant spaces in the car park.

timbo58

geordieracer wrote: »

Timbo you make one glaring error in your post. In that a PPc can issue parking tickets under the bylaw. They cannot. They can clamp but not issue tickets as these ticket s are appealable and to do someone under the bylaw you have to take them to court.

I might be wrong but I didn't think APCOA were, in the instances I was referring to, acting as a PPC (private parking contractor?)?
I thought they were acting as an agent of the local TOC that controls the parking under the Railway regulations.

The Railway regulations and byelaws allow parking ticketing and court action and always have.

taffy056

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

That's MR Terry and MR Arthur if you please.:D

No they would abide by the rules and not chance a ticket. By now, thanks to the stirling effort of the PPCs, everyone in the UK knows they should park between the lines, don't overstay their welcome and pay to use someone else's hard earned patch of dirt. This is a win situation for retailers who rely on traffic flow, parking capacity and legitimate customers using their facilities.

Anyone paid the money and received copies of the CCJs that everyone recites chapter and verse, but never seen?

Thing is the rules are as much garbage as your posts, what damn right does a ppc have limitting a shopper on the time they stay in car park, I go to my local shopping centre and there are 20 shops, so that means I can only spend 6 minutes in each shop!

Also as parking bays are advisory only , a ppc has no right to ticket you no matter what rule they have, and can I remind you that most of these car parks are free to use, so that comment is not relevant!

Finally if I was spending money in each shop, I am a legitimate customer using the facilities, and its got sod all to do with a scam company, and basically I don't have to justify myself to you lot!

SodG24

Messrs_Arthur_and_Terry wrote: »

That's MR Terry and MR Arthur if you please.:D

No they would abide by the rules and not chance a ticket. By now, thanks to the stirling effort of the PPCs, everyone in the UK knows they should park between the lines, don't overstay their welcome and pay to use someone else's hard earned patch of dirt. This is a win situation for retailers who rely on traffic flow, parking capacity and legitimate customers using their facilities.

Anyone paid the money and received copies of the CCJs that everyone recites chapter and verse, but never seen?

Hmmmm .... I ignore the tickets ( two so far ) and haven't been taken to court. Come on, take me to court - I dare you, no I double dare you, indeed I triple dare you. All mouth and no guts these PPCs. G24 is amongst the worst. Won't even publish a phone number to speak to them - you're all cowards who should be ignored ( or possibly worse ).