ESA - Spending Review

gardenia101

MrsManda wrote: »

Surely it's not true that the majority of people on ESA will never get better? It may be that a large proportion of people who are in the support group of ESA may not get better but ESA is payable to people who have been unable to work due to illness for 4 days in a row.
So claimants may have 'flu, broken leg, concussion... which will clear up within a few weeks but stop a person from working in the short term.

Well I'm one of those put into the WRAG who will never get better. I'll either stay the same if I'm lucky, or my condition will get worse. I'm not actually "ill" - I have lost a lot of my central vision in one eye & am virtually blind in the other,so I can't read, drive etc. but thankfully can use an adapted laptop. I'm sure there is work that I could do, & I'd love to work again, but I do wonder who is going to employ me when there are so many others looking for work who are not disabled.

I was put into the WRAG in August but have yet to hear anything about any work related course/support! Jobcentre plus haven't returned my last 2 'phone calls when I wanted to query this.

I wonder when this 12 months starts from? At this rate I'll be off ESA before I've had any "support"

lavidaloca

TOBRUK wrote: »

It was said that those in receipt of DLA will be exempt.

Is this true?

TOBRUK

lavidaloca, This is what I heard him say when I was listening to his announcement yesterday. However, as someone else has said here this may be to one ESA group and not both - Osborne as far as I remember now did not specify this.

He didn't go into detail as they haven't worked it out yet! He stated that he was or has appointed a team to set it out and has put aside I think (don't quote me) 2 million pounds to sort it out!

Chorlie

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lavidaloca wrote: »

Is this true?

No, he said about the caps £500 per week for couples or £350 per week for a single person will be the most that can be claim in benefit, but if you're on DLA these caps don't apply.

It was nothing to do with the ESA announcement.


Quote - Direct Gov: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/SpendingReview/DG_191799

Cap on benefits

It was also announced that no family that doesn’t work will receive more in benefits than the average family that does go out to work.
However, the cap does not apply to those in receipt of Disability Living Allowance, Working Tax Credit or the War Widows Pension

50Twuncle

Chorlie wrote: »

If you're on WRAG Income Based ESA these changes outlined yesterday won't effect you, it's the people like me on WRAG Contribution Based ESA who are effected and will loose there ESA and not get anything else.

Me too - this is devastating news for me - when does it come into effect from ?
How will they administer this ?
12 months from the date that the rule is brought in or 12 months from the date of first claim ?
What will happen if a person is in and out of work too (some people have variable effects and are able to work some of the time) - will the 12 months have any overriding rules ?

Chorlie

21Twinkle wrote: »

Me too - this is devastating news for me - when does it come into effect from ?
How will they administer this ?
12 months from the date that the rule is brought in or 12 months from the date of first claim ?
What will happen if a person is in and out of work too (some people have variable effects and are able to work some of the time) - will the 12 months have any overriding rules ?

Those and several others are some of the questions I spent yesterday searching the internet for answers:-

When will this rule come into place?

Will the 12 months start then or if you've already been on it 12 months will it stop then?

Will you be moved onto JSA or Basic ESA?

At the time it stops can you re-apply for full ESA?

Will you have to apply for JSA?

Since you've been getting Contribution based ESA for 12 months plus, does that mean you can't apply for other conribution based (JSA/ESA) since you have made any true NI contribution for over 12 months?

What will happen when the new medical rules come in for DLA, if they use the ESA medical assessment for the Support Group, then god knows what will happen....apart from a lot of poor, marginalized & house bound disabled people.


Well look on the bright side, this is the government that wanted to help the genuine ill & disabled, bring them into society and not marginalise them, plus the PM knows personally how hard it is for the genuine disabled and there carers because of his late son.
Just think how screwed we would of been if that wasn't the case....!!!!!!!

TOBRUK

Chorlie wrote: »

Well look on the bright side, this is the government that wanted to help the genuine ill & disabled, bring them into society and not marginalise them, plus the PM knows personally how hard it is for the genuine disabled and there cares because of his late son. Just think how screwed we would of been if that wasn't the case....!!!!!!!

Did you hear him say to someone yesterday how he knew how hard it was to fill in the DLA form, how complicated it was etc - didn't anyone think as I did, why the hell would he be making a claim for his son in the first place since he's a blinking millionaire!!

I do however know that DLA is non means tested and everyone who is ill/disabled and eligible have the right to claim, but as a PM and dishing all this out and keep telling us we are all in this together etc and saying he wants fairness!! I was flabbergasted!

50Twuncle

Chorlie wrote: »

Those and several others are some of the questions I spent yesterday searching the internet for answers:-

When will this rule come into place?

Will the 12 months start then or if you've already been on it 12 months will it stop then?

Will you be moved onto JSA or Basic ESA?

At the time it stops can you re-apply for full ESA?

Will you have to apply for JSA?

Since you've been getting Contribution based ESA for 12 months plus, does that mean you can't apply for other conribution based (JSA/ESA) since you have made any true NI contribution for over 12 months?

What will happen when the new medical rules come in for DLA, if they use the ESA medical assessment for the Support Group, then god knows what will happen....apart from a lot of poor, marginalized & house bound disabled people.


Well look on the bright side, this is the government that wanted to help the genuine ill & disabled, bring them into society and not marginalise them, plus the PM knows personally how hard it is for the genuine disabled and there carers because of his late son.
Just think how screwed we would of been if that wasn't the case....!!!!!!!

I am writing to my MP to ask these questions

TOBRUK

The thing is and correct me if I'm wrong - he said that there was going to be one universal benefit and other than that benefit the only other will be DLA.

With this in mind, there will be no other benefit you can move to. So all benefits apart from DLA will be rolled into one. IT WILL BE ONE BENEFIT OR NOTHING.

50Twuncle

Chorlie wrote: »

Will the 12 months start then or if you've already been on it 12 months will it stop then?

Will you be moved onto JSA or Basic ESA?

At the time it stops can you re-apply for full ESA?

Will you have to apply for JSA?

Since you've been getting Contribution based ESA for 12 months plus, does that mean you can't apply for other conribution based (JSA/ESA) since you have made any true NI contribution for over 12 months?

Contribution-based Jobseeker's Allowance
Contribution-based Jobseeker's Allowance, JSA(C) entitlement is based on Class 1 National Insurance contributions in the two complete tax years preceding the calendar year of claim. This allowance is paid regardless of assets.[5]
Certain other benefits including Statutory sick pay, Statutory paternity pay, Statutory maternity pay, Statutory adoption pay, Employment and Support Allowance, Bereavement benefit, Carer's allowance and JSA(C) itself also count towards Class 1 contributions and are called "Credited Class 1 contributions".
Self-employed people do not pay Class 1 contributions, and thus may not claim JSA(C).
JSA(C) may be claimed for only 26 weeks before having to move onto JSA(IB), if eligible (see below).