ESA - Spending Review

Chorlie

bertiebat wrote: »

Effectively for those that only get contribution based benefits and have savings over a certain limit will simply get nothing after a year. In the same way as contribution based JSA (which is nothing after 6 months).

Someone has posted that people on DLA will be excluded from this new measure, but I can't see any evidence in the stuff I have read. I think it only applies to people put into the support group.

Universal credits obviously apply to those below a certain level of savings as well, I assume.

So much for encouraging people to save.

Bit late for me to get insurance to cover for illness contingencies, though I suspect they will find lots of new customers. Wish I'd had a crystal ball!

Though it's totally against my principals to sue the NHS, I can't help resenting the position I'm in because of them.

The above sounds correct reading this:-

http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/cover/news/1799950/spending-review-esa-limited

G51shopaholic

by capping the total benefit anyone can receive will only increase the number of people with rent arrears and increase the number of people who don't pay their Council Tax.
Sadly it won't stop some benefit scroungers smoking and drinking.....lets think "Do I pay my rent or buy a pack of fags" what do you think will be the answer?

This will only put a strain on the Citizens Advise Bureau.

I am ashamed to say my sister hasn't paid her Council Tax for over 10yrs - but this "lack of money" didn't stop her paying £450 for a pedigree dog! Or smoking or drinking herself to near death!

Did they mention freezing the wages of the MP's or capping their expenses?
Is it one rule for us and another for them?

I have received ESA in the support group for 2 yrs - so what will happen now?

My partner works full-time and I have NEVER missed a payment on any of my bills for the last 20yrs.
I would love to go back to how fit I used to be - but as I have problems breathing (cancer) I've been told
that will NEVER happen and I have to get used to my "new way of life".

wssla00

TOBRUK wrote: »

I know everyone wants to know how it will affect them but whatever is speculated, we will not get to know for some time what the details will be.

All that is clear is that Osborne stated that there will be ONE UNIVERSAL BENEFIT - so there won't be IS, JSA, IB/ESA, HOUSING ETC - they will all be called one thing. However, I really don't know how they will be able to impliment this - obviously they think they can work it out!!

On top of which every person on benefits will have it capped - a couple on benefit will not receive more than £500 a week and a single person no more than £300 a week. Those receiving DLA will be exempt.

Does anyone know about this in relation to people in receipt of DLA who work? I can't seem to find any information on how this will effect things here of it the standards will stay the same?

TOBRUK

bertiebat wrote: »

Someone has posted that people on DLA will be excluded from this new measure, but I can't see any evidence in the stuff I have read.

I know that I have said on here that people on DLA are exempt - I heard Osborne say this in his speech. I didn't hear him say anything about it only being applied to those in support groups.

KxMx

bertiebat wrote: »

Effectively for those that only get contribution based benefits and have savings over a certain limit will simply get nothing after a year. In the same way as contribution based JSA (which is nothing after 6 months).

Someone has posted that people on DLA will be excluded from this new measure, but I can't see any evidence in the stuff I have read. I think it only applies to people put into the support group.

Universal credits obviously apply to those below a certain level of savings as well, I assume.

So much for encouraging people to save.

Bit late for me to get insurance to cover for illness contingencies, though I suspect they will find lots of new customers. Wish I'd had a crystal ball!

Though it's totally against my principals to sue the NHS, I can't help resenting the position I'm in because of them.

Hopefully as I don't have much in the way of savings, but as i'm on IB Youth I will get put onto ESA (C), I will be ok, phew what a relief I tell ya! Assume after than I would qualify for ESA Income after.

Torally agree about the NHS, same with me, they were too lazy 3 years ago to follow up and now I am iller than ever. Sueing them next year however and if successful I may get enough to come off benefits

Gemstar30

Hello,

I have had a couple of postings in the Discussion Time, only last week warning that we are heading the same way that the USA did when they looked at their Welfare system.

From what I read, even if you are getting DLA, but in the 'Work Group' for ESA and on contributory ESA, you will still lose the ESA after 12 months and be put onto JSA - or whatever the universal benefit will be called. That is because you can work and get DLA.

This was inevitable as the work group and JSA are the same anyhow, except you did get more money. The ESA medical did find those people fit for work but needing help to get there. After 12 months that should have been concluded anyhow, otherwise you would have been put in the Support Group if you were really that ill.

Although nothing has been said yet, but I am half expecting that the appeal rate ESA will also go as you will be expected to claim JSA instead whilst waiting for the appeal.

All in all, not really a bad review if you think about it. Nothing has changed for those that are in the Support Group - which is quite right - they are the ones that have the worst problems.

The days of IB/ESA for coughs, colds, and the odd ingrowing toenail are well and trully gone - thank goodness!!

At least we will now get some sense out of the government. You are either too ill to work or fit for work with conditions applied, which JSA can offer.

And being able to claim ESA for ever on the Contribution based scheme was to be honest - a nice cushy way of getting round having to sign on as was the appeal assessment rate.

The more that are unemployed, the more the government will have to do something to address it. But we must accept in todays world that upwards of 3 million out of work is only a very small percentage now of the increased number of adults in the UK over 16 and under 70 (the new retirement age to come). When compared to what it was in the early 90's.

Anyhow that is my opinion - we really have got off light - worse could have happened.

Gemma
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sunnyone

KxMx wrote: »

Hopefully as I don't have much in the way of savings, but as i'm on IB Youth I will get put onto ESA (C), I will be ok, phew what a relief I tell ya! Assume after than I would qualify for ESA Income after.

Torally agree about the NHS, same with me, they were too lazy 3 years ago to follow up and now I am iller than ever. Sueing them next year however and if successful I may get enough to come off benefits

You dont have a cow at winning a case against the NHS, people with botched ops/ missed diagnosis dont in general so someone with MH issues dosnt have a chance in reality.

Before anyone has a go I have MH issues myself and ive been in/through the system for my whole life (since birth becaue my mother was mentally ill) and i have investigated claiming against a trust before.

Chorlie

Gemstar30 wrote: »

The days of IB/ESA for coughs, colds, and the odd ingrowing toenail are well and trully gone - thank goodness!!

Thank goodness for that Dr Gemstar, I thought I was born with spina biffida, have short deformed legs, kidney problem and was in a wheelchair because I couldn't walk.

I'm sure my previous employer will be happy, they had independent doctors reports and my GP report both stating not only i can't do my current job (office work) but any job, so they dismissed me on ill health grounds and pensioned me off after 20 years with them.

I applied for ESA and all thought it they said my score puts me straight on it without issue and they put me in the Work Related Group, contribution since I've worked.

And now I find out that that my GP, Independent Doctor and the ESA Doctor has missed it, all that's wrong with me is an ingrowing toenail...:beer:

Gemstar30

Chorlie wrote: »

Thank goodness for that Dr Gemstar, I thought I was born with spina biffida, have short deformed legs, kidney problem and was in a wheelchair because I couldn't walk.

I'm sure my previous employer will be happy, they had independent doctors reports and my GP report both stating not only i can't do my current job (office work) but any job, so they dismissed me on ill health grounds and pensioned me off after 20 years with them.

I applied for ESA and all thought it they said my score puts me straight on it without issue and they put me in the Work Related Group, contribution since I've worked.

And now I find out that that my GP, Independent Doctor and the ESA Doctor has missed it, all that's wrong with me is an ingrowing toenail...:beer:

Hello,

I was not having a go at anybody at all.

The reason I said that because in the past with IB, even with those conditions I mentioned you would have been put straight on it. Stay on it long enough and you would end up in the top earning level.

With ESA, it is different as I understand it.

You are that ill and disabled that there is NO chance of being able to any type of work. In which case you go in the Support Group.

The rest can do some type of work - hence the Work Group. You get help in that group to get you into some type of work. Many people with severe disabilities do manage to have a working life.

What I said was that that group is no different to JSA, except that those people need a little more help to get back into a working lifestyle. Surely you would love to be able to do a job?

It is wrong that in the past people have lingered on IB for years without a thought that they might be able to do something.

I see it was mentioned in another thread somewhere about addressing envelopes at home. Why not - it's a paying job.

Thank you

Gemma
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bertiebat

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