New house anti social behaviour

poppysarah

pjcox2005 wrote: »

I'm not saying that teenagers can't be a nuisance at times (and obviously vandalism needs to be stopped) but i think people have lost perspective when they are effectively referring to teenagers as animals. I'm not surprised they don't always look up to the older generation.

Final point to the poster who seemed to take offence to a skate park being built...is that really that bad a thing that children can socialise in an active way outside?

Skate parks encourage large numbers of youths, are noisy, attract loutish behaviour, (not nec from skater bois either)

A large number of calls yesterday evening on the gmp tweet experiement seemed to be about youths causing a nusiance.

if kids are "just sitting about" then let them sit about at their parents. If their parents do not want a group of their kids and friends at their house THEN WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE EXPECTED TO PUT UP WITH IT?

Society has a problem with kids because parents seem to think the street is a babysitter and playground.

NEH

PJcox, if your'e refeering to my comment our drunkards were animals and savages but they werent just teenagers

Cold weather didn't deter our lot, we had some women who should have known better at their age sledging down the middle of the road, so drunk they could barely push the thing at gone 4 in the morning....Needless to say the family we had staying at the time never stayed again at a weekend with that amount of racket.

delmar39

pjcox2005 wrote: »

I appreciate I'm exaggerating the point and on nights when damage takes place that is an issue, but the points above suggest you have lost site of the problem.

Re the bit in bold above, I don't think you'll be shot down in flames, to be honest I agree with you to a certain extent. The problem I've got is that all the youths I mention in my post that you refer to are part of a wider 'gang' that cause us many of the bigger problems, such as keeping us up 'til gone 1am. They have the potential to do a lot worse than just sit there and it's perhaps this potential that gets to me. So, for these reasons I'm perhaps blowing out of proportion, I agree. Another problem is that two youths can soon become 15 as they arrange to all gather there via their mobiles, so my point was that the police picking them up on a regular patrol could have prevented more turning up, because they moved on once the police drove off - no longer a safe place to go on and do 'other' things. I'm basing it on what has happened in the past so to a certain extent these things are in my mind rather than actually happening. Prior to the problems, a group of youngsters kicking a ball around in the library car park just didn't bother me at all, but now it does. The three chaps I refer to were sniffing plant food off the same wall a week before from 9pm - 12am, so I do hold a grudge I admit. You wouldn't want them sat outside your house...

In a nutshell perhaps deep down I'm regretting moving in to a house that from time to time will be subjected to periods of anti social behaviour - we spent circa £250k on it, so not something we expected - not being snobbish here, I just never expected it. Like I've said in previous posts, 200 yards either side and we'd be none the wiser. I do stick by the fact that until it happens to you you cannot possibly appreciate how you'll react and how it gets hold of you. I don't have anything against people enjoying themselves or hanging around, but this group are known for being bad news.

ILW

Legally it can be very tricky.
For example, how would differntiate between say 6 pensioners sitting on the library wall and having and smoke, and 6 teenagers sitting on the library wall having a smoke?

pjcox2005

poppysarah wrote: »

Skate parks encourage large numbers of youths, are noisy, attract loutish behaviour, (not nec from skater bois either)

A large number of calls yesterday evening on the gmp tweet experiement seemed to be about youths causing a nusiance.

if kids are "just sitting about" then let them sit about at their parents. If their parents do not want a group of their kids and friends at their house THEN WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE EXPECTED TO PUT UP WITH IT?

Society has a problem with kids because parents seem to think the street is a babysitter and playground.

That's strange, you type in skate park and crime into google and all you get are articles about how crime has been reduced in areas thanks to the introduction of a skate park.

In fact (although this one is US), one of the leading skateboarders, Tony Hawks uses his foundation to look at improving communitites by the introduction of skate parks and appears to have had success over the years.

Out of interest, sports fields gather a large number of youths - should these be banned as well.

Potentially kids should be in doors, but to suggest that they are not allowed to sit outside (the specific point from your quote i.e. not even anti-social behaviour) is quite frankly ridiculous. It's a long time since I was a kid but I feel quite confident that I have a right to sit wherever i want in a public place and they should get the same rights as well.

Finally about the streets being a playground...I wish people could make up their minds as often people complain that kids are always on their computers, have lost the ability to interact, should be out more like in our day! I used the street as a playground (although moving to the countryside meant less so) when I was young and i think I've managed to grow up as quite a respectable adult.

delmar39

poppysarah wrote: »

if kids are "just sitting about" then let them sit about at their parents. If their parents do not want a group of their kids and friends at their house THEN WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE EXPECTED TO PUT UP WITH IT? Society has a problem with kids because parents seem to think the street is a babysitter and playground.

This is so true, I didn't look at things this way. They seem to arrive between 8pm and 9pm so late. Perhaps not late for some people, but we've got a 2.5 year old who is up from 6am, so our lifestyle has changed as isn't exactly rock and roll these days! Previously, we'd have been down the pub until gone 11pm, so perhaps we would never have seen this happening. Regardless, you don't want to hear shouting and screeming from your own front room at gone 10pm. It's not for me to feel sorry for them because they haven't got anything to do or their parents don't care, I can't possibly imagine how this must feel as I just love our little un to bits.

delmar39

ILW wrote: »

Legally it can be very tricky.
For example, how would differntiate between say 6 pensioners sitting on the library wall and having and smoke, and 6 teenagers sitting on the library wall having a smoke?

Easy, come to my house and we'll do a comparison no prizes for guessing which you'd prefer.

pjcox2005

Just to caveat my point here, I obviously think an issue with drugs does exist and could be handled better. I just think more could be done for children and respect shown that when they grow up this doesn't become an issue and that they use public places in a more productive manner - whether to socialise, play an activity etc.

I also think that more being done would integrate youth and age a bit more which seems to have been lost and therefore lose some of the fear factor of 'gangs' outside.

ILW

delmar39 wrote: »

Easy, come to my house and we'll do a comparison no prizes for guessing which you'd prefer.

I agree with you, trouble is that the law makes no differentiation. They either need to ban all or none.

delmar39

pjcox2005 wrote: »

Potentially kids should be in doors, but to suggest that they are not allowed to sit outside (the specific point from your quote i.e. not even anti-social behaviour) is quite frankly ridiculous. It's a long time since I was a kid but I feel quite confident that I have a right to sit wherever i want in a public place and they should get the same rights as well.

Finally about the streets being a playground...I wish people could make up their minds as often people complain that kids are always on their computers, have lost the ability to interact, should be out more like in our day! I used the street as a playground (although moving to the countryside meant less so) when I was young and i think I've managed to grow up as quite a respectable adult.

You have to accept that some kids cause trouble. They get drunk, take drugs and go on to cause harm to others. The group that I refer to have been banned from the local youth club for disrupting it so they're left to wonder the streets and get leathered on drink and drugs, which effectively changes their personaility. We're not talking about the regular happy go lucky kid here, we're talking about those who have unfortunately gone off the rails. A problem that the authorities cannot seem to do anything about.