Zoverstocks

squack

hello johnny boy!

first of all, it is perfectly possible as a private seller on Playtrade to make a good profit on items even competing against the big boys like yourself. I know someone who sells about 5 to 10 items per week as a sideline, always at least doubling his money on each sale even after fees and postage, which he then uses to buy more stock on play, he also buys books clothing gifts blank discs and the like with the funds and can give zoverstocks and their ilk a good run for their money i can assure you. He kicks their !!! and makes them look foolish and sometimes profits of 1000% are possible.


Playtrade in particular has been marketed to the private individual with its free listings offer for new signups they ran a while back, although they limit the small seller to 100 listings that's still quite a few to manage without pricing software.

Playtrade's user interface for selling items is quick and easy, much better than ebay which is already swamped by traders and dodgy dealers and it is easier on play to compare prices for a particular item than with the ebay format.

Selling an item at a loss is absolutely pointless for the smaller trader. This guy would rather pull his listing for an item where some daftie has got into a price war with zoverstocks or any other price slasher, then relist a few days later when the dust has settled and the price is realistic again.

zoverstocks has been singled out because they seem to have a copy of so many different items and have pea'd off other traders large and small by undercutting them constantly. It maybe a machine doing it but it's human nature to feel insulted and they have made many enemies

I can only assume johnnyboy that you are selling something entirely different to them, if not please let me know your username on play/amazon so i can snap up some of your wares for 98p or 1p after you and your mates at musical magpie have run each other down to the bread line!

johnnyboyrebel

squack wrote: »

hello johnny boy!

first of all, it is perfectly possible as a private seller on Playtrade to make a good profit on items even competing against the big boys like yourself. I know someone who sells about 5 to 10 items per week as a sideline, always at least doubling his money on each sale even after fees and postage, which he then uses to buy more stock on play, he also buys books clothing gifts blank discs and the like with the funds and can give zoverstocks and their ilk a good run for their money i can assure you. He kicks their !!! and makes them look foolish and sometimes profits of 1000% are possible.


Playtrade in particular has been marketed to the private individual with its free listings offer for new signups they ran a while back, although they limit the small seller to 100 listings that's still quite a few to manage without pricing software.

Playtrade's user interface for selling items is quick and easy, much better than ebay which is already swamped by traders and dodgy dealers and it is easier on play to compare prices for a particular item than with the ebay format.

Selling an item at a loss is absolutely pointless for the smaller trader. This guy would rather pull his listing for an item where some daftie has got into a price war with zoverstocks or any other price slasher, then relist a few days later when the dust has settled and the price is realistic again.

zoverstocks has been singled out because they seem to have a copy of so many different items and have pea'd off other traders large and small by undercutting them constantly. It maybe a machine doing it but it's human nature to feel insulted and they have made many enemies

I can only assume johnnyboy that you are selling something entirely different to them, if not please let me know your username on play/amazon so i can snap up some of your wares for 98p or 1p after you and your mates at musical magpie have run each other down to the bread line!

Hi Squack,

firstly good on the seller you mention who is giving them a run for their money, hope he continues to do well and a 1000% profit is good to say the least

I know Playtrade was launched toward the private seller but unfortunately just like Amazon, it has been flooded with large sellers of late. Many of these are US based yet state that they ship from the UK so be careful who you're buying from would be my advice! You're always covered by the Playtrade guarantee but for the sake of delivery times, go with someone you have used before. I wasn't suggesting private sellers should sell at a loss, just that as the likes of Amazon etc. sometimes do it is nigh on impossible to compete with them.

As for zoverstocks stocking everything, the simple answer is that it is 99% likely that they won't stock half of what they list. A common thing on Amazon is to get stock lists from suppliers, use their cost, add a margin then upload the whole lot for sale. Once an order comes in then they order in that item from that specific supplier. If I were a private seller, I would say this is the way to go as it gives you hundreds, if not thousands, of listings to boost your inventory (looks good to customers) This is certainly not an official way of doing business so you didn't hear it from me which is why I wont give my details on here in terms of seller name etc. for fear of repercussions!

After reading this thread last night, I checked a few of our listings and I did spot this zoverstocks seller but we aren't competing with them on the particular 3 items I checked. However this is most probably that everything we stock is brand new and unused and the 3 items they had were used/second hand therefore our software won't even take them into account so as far as we're concerned, they're irrelevant!

So does anyone know for sure they are related to Music Magpie and is everything they sell used/second hand? I am curious now as to who it is

johnnyboyrebel

squack wrote: »

hello johnny boy!

first of all, it is perfectly possible as a private seller on Playtrade to make a good profit on items even competing against the big boys like yourself. I know someone who sells about 5 to 10 items per week as a sideline, always at least doubling his money on each sale even after fees and postage, which he then uses to buy more stock on play, he also buys books clothing gifts blank discs and the like with the funds and can give zoverstocks and their ilk a good run for their money i can assure you. He kicks their !!! and makes them look foolish and sometimes profits of 1000% are possible.


Playtrade in particular has been marketed to the private individual with its free listings offer for new signups they ran a while back, although they limit the small seller to 100 listings that's still quite a few to manage without pricing software.

Playtrade's user interface for selling items is quick and easy, much better than ebay which is already swamped by traders and dodgy dealers and it is easier on play to compare prices for a particular item than with the ebay format.

Selling an item at a loss is absolutely pointless for the smaller trader. This guy would rather pull his listing for an item where some daftie has got into a price war with zoverstocks or any other price slasher, then relist a few days later when the dust has settled and the price is realistic again.

zoverstocks has been singled out because they seem to have a copy of so many different items and have pea'd off other traders large and small by undercutting them constantly. It maybe a machine doing it but it's human nature to feel insulted and they have made many enemies

I can only assume johnnyboy that you are selling something entirely different to them, if not please let me know your username on play/amazon so i can snap up some of your wares for 98p or 1p after you and your mates at musical magpie have run each other down to the bread line!

By the way, just to clarify in reply to some comments on here not every seller who uses price checking software lowers the price again and again until it reaches 1p. If zoverstocks do list new items and we stock the same thing then we would only price against them so far as we have a minimum selling price that we cannot ever go below based on a formula so we're not all just trying to annoy your lot by undercutting you regardless of your selling price

chance1000000

go on then I will reply, I was giving time out as I were just repeating myself.....

anyway my beef is that I competed big time with zoverstocks having got loads of games in bulk working out at roughly 50p to £1 so i could drop zoverstocks down to his minimum and I would be winning, the problem is that they didnt like it and accused me of manupilating prices so what does he do?? he has me banned from trading and aparantly I was sending threatning behavior towards him, I fought with play.com to get my account back and did as the amount of proof I have against zoverstocks is unbelievable, if I were positioned within trading standards or simular, I can tell you that zoverstocks would not be trading as they violate so many terms, rules etc and wouldnt have a leg to stand on....just another violation is that they list new games with the following description:
Brand new, usually shrinkwrapped. All dispatched with 1 - 3 working days from the UK go and buy with this description and you will get a tatty used game closer to 1-3 weeks rather than days, yet another deception to the consumer. Ive studied zoverstocks that much in all areas and tested them and have failed, they sell a ratio of about 1-2 items in every 5 that they sell which is correctly described.

Just another thing is that because customers buys from this clown and have a bad experience then the customer doesnt even come onto the site again not even to buy off anyone, so they are losing customers for other sellers when other sellers are not even involved or cannot correct etc. Play.com is for the small seller and play advertise this, one ive seen is on the left hand side where your listing are advertise new sellers to come and sell for cash, sellers are going to see zoverstocks or learn whats happening and will take their listings and sell elsewere. Small sellers are what the big sellers need as they sell for example a "now 50" cd in order to buy "now 77" cd from another seller, they get what they want and gives another seller a sale. They buy from zoverstocks and have a bad experience and there you go never seen again within the site. Overall its zoverstocks against 1000 (or whatever) other sellers, if we all complain who are play going to listen to. What I will do is look into a petition to have zoverstocks lose the automated thing or have him kicked off the way they had done to me. Ok it sounds a little revenge on a personal note but I am willing to help others, I dont mind competition just not having the mickey taken out of me. I will see someone from trading standards on the rights etc, draw up a petition and forward this for approval from play.com and will then get every seller to put comments on how they feel with zoverstocks and only put valid reasons and see who wins. I can tell you this, the amount of proof I have , I will give them a year or two, if they havent gone themselfs then they will be removed. I will take them all the way

johnnyboyrebel

chance1000000 wrote: »

go on then I will reply, I was giving time out as I were just repeating myself.....

anyway my beef is that I competed big time with zoverstocks having got loads of games in bulk working out at roughly 50p to £1 so i could drop zoverstocks down to his minimum and I would be winning, the problem is that they didnt like it and accused me of manupilating prices so what does he do?? he has me banned from trading and aparantly I was sending threatning behavior towards him, I fought with play.com to get my account back and did as the amount of proof I have against zoverstocks is unbelievable, if I were positioned within trading standards or simular, I can tell you that zoverstocks would not be trading as they violate so many terms, rules etc and wouldnt have a leg to stand on....just another violation is that they list new games with the following description:
Brand new, usually shrinkwrapped. All dispatched with 1 - 3 working days from the UK go and buy with this description and you will get a tatty used game closer to 1-3 weeks rather than days, yet another deception to the consumer. Ive studied zoverstocks that much in all areas and tested them and have failed, they sell a ratio of about 1-2 items in every 5 that they sell which is correctly described.

Just another thing is that because customers buys from this clown and have a bad experience then the customer doesnt even come onto the site again not even to buy off anyone, so they are losing customers for other sellers when other sellers are not even involved or cannot correct etc. Play.com is for the small seller and play advertise this, one ive seen is on the left hand side where your listing are advertise new sellers to come and sell for cash, sellers are going to see zoverstocks or learn whats happening and will take their listings and sell elsewere. Small sellers are what the big sellers need as they sell for example a "now 50" cd in order to buy "now 77" cd from another seller, they get what they want and gives another seller a sale. They buy from zoverstocks and have a bad experience and there you go never seen again within the site. Overall its zoverstocks against 1000 (or whatever) other sellers, if we all complain who are play going to listen to. What I will do is look into a petition to have zoverstocks lose the automated thing or have him kicked off the way they had done to me. Ok it sounds a little revenge on a personal note but I am willing to help others, I dont mind competition just not having the mickey taken out of me. I will see someone from trading standards on the rights etc, draw up a petition and forward this for approval from play.com and will then get every seller to put comments on how they feel with zoverstocks and only put valid reasons and see who wins. I can tell you this, the amount of proof I have , I will give them a year or two, if they havent gone themselfs then they will be removed. I will take them all the way

Hi chance1000000, firstly I find it hard to believe that a seller like zoverstocks would complain to Play because you are using pricing software, to be fair you mean nothing to them. If you're suggesting they were thratened by you then I very much doubt it.

Secondly, even if they did, Playtrade would not ban you from the site. I know some of the tech team at Playtrade and they are certainly not in the habit of banning sellers just because another seller told them to.

Your comments earlier about zoverstocks not paying the same fees as everyone else are most likely not correct either. We know a lot of the other bigger sellers on Playtrade and everyones fees are the same, they do not do discounts just because that particular seller sells a lot of items.

No disrespect towards you by my comments, it just seems strange to read some of your claims. It does sound like you have had some kind of bad experience with this company but trading standards will very likely have no interest in some beef you have with a seller on a marketplace. If it was an individual site then perhaps.

One last thing, always remember that delivery comments on Play are general periods only. Every seller and customer has to account for deliver delays so again, trading standards would have no interest in that.

If you want to use pricing software and start selling again then do it.

johnnyboyrebel

chance1000000 wrote: »

Hi mate, firstly I said zoverstocks pays the same so everyone must be treated the same, there were other sellers that was communcating with me and they got kicked off, each with the same email, one of the sellers rang play up and got it confirmed that it was zoverstocks claiming that zoverstocks were going to report all that were interferring. Have you rang trading standards yourself?? you might be interested if they release info.

have you bought from them??? there items are below par, I have. Its not a bad experience Ive had its lack of competition, I sell on play to compete and not to be taken over. If I were to get a automated thing, each and every one that zoverstocks sells will be lowered meaning we have a pound shop. over the past couple of months I am down by £7000-£8000 in sales because if this idiot...all this is by trying to sell on zoverstocks.com...oh sorry play.com, I am taking some of his customers away from him, its not enough but its a start...I work in a post-office and I am buying items that should be sent to zoverstocks because I am giving such a bad name and I am offering more so zoverstocks is doing the work for me and not receiving the items and I am locally advertising aswell the same as them, I get the items dirt cheap like zovertocks and will drop them, Ive not listed the items yet as I am mounting them up once they get so much bang that idiot wont stand a chance, if you cant beat them join them...now maybe other sellers do the same thing and no items will go to them...I will get the money that I have lost over time at zoverstocks expense....
trading standards are interested because there are more complaints for different things.

zoverstocks as ruined online sales in general via so many violations..
1, selling items in "not as described" condition
2, all communacation must be done in 72hours
3, sells imports that is not allowed on play.com
4, slow delivery
5, selling items they dont have hence the slow delivery
6, advertising in schools which is not allowed for the under 16s
7, sends threatning emails if you so much as compete with them
8, advertising new shrinkwrapped when clearly used
9, getting their own staff to leave postive feedback (shill bidding)
10. making out that items are inspected
11, too many refunds due to adverising items they havent got

I cant remember how many more I can name, they need to get their own site and not taking over someone elses site, do you honestly think they are doing right?? they need to go and will go if this is not sorted out...he has made too many enemies and I want them to come on here and find a solution. If someone matches his price then its fair, but its just showing how childish and selfish they are...money first customers second...if some other customer drops them and buys the item then its zoverstocks fault for having the stupid pricer, they are losing customers and losing everyone elses customers aswell,

no respect to you but do you work for them or are you from playtrade?? because I dont think you understand properly and are defending these clowns...they are not a company they are a simple desperate seller that throws their dummy out of the pram when people find a way of beating them

I am not defending them in any shape or form, as I said previously I had never really heard of them other than in passing so don't know anything about them. Again though, it seems to me you have a vendetta against this one particular company. This is between you and them so no, I don't work for them or for Play.com, I am simply another seller like you are but perhaps on a bigger scale.

As I said, Amazon and Play provide the option of using their API which means everything is done instantly via a direct connection between the sellers software and Amazon's site as opposed to manually uploading your files and manually printing off invoices, marking as dispatched etc.

As far as Play are concerned, if any seller want to list everything with a minimum of 0.01 then they can do, they do not get involved with sellers pricing strategies and rightly so.

I just find it hard to believe that a company that appears to be vast would contact a small, private seller like you and give you threatening emails. Even if they did, surely you contacted Play with a copy of the email? If so, you're claiming Play did nothing about it and actually banned you? I'm sure you agree it does sound very far fetched.

From our years of experience with Play, this is not the way they would deal with things of this nature. Any hassle from another seller and that other seller will get either a warning or worse if they persist.

So although I am not disagreeing with what you are saying, I am just struggling to understand this.

I think if this is all true, the best line of action is to take this up with Play and be harsh with them and tell them exactly what you have told us here, this will be more proactive than contacting Trading Standards as Im sure they get thousands of these type of queries passed onto them on a daily basis!

What happened when you contacted Play and informed them of these threatening messages?

chance1000000

I forwarded the threatning email to play.com and I got an automated reply saying "we take this seriously and will look into it etc" next thing I knew I was off play, I contacted play by phone and I was suspended for lowering prices with my automated programme thats why I feel very stong about these programmes being banned so everyone is equill.. My volume has gone down dramatically since this clown started selling or should I say cheating the system and complains when they are beaten. 3 years ago I was selling around £60000 items, then more or less halved last year and this year has gone to around £15000 this past week Ive sold 2 yes 2 I am dropping each and everyitem I have right down to £2 each, you never know I might get kicked off in doing so....They dont like competition.....bottom line is that they shouldnt be trading with the violations they have and also if they are as big as they say they are then wouldnt it be more profitable to get their own selling site and even allow others to sell on it....they are only a small business that is demoting online sales....many of you have these pointless programmes and we just live with them but zoverstocks is just being ridiculous...I looked at their musicmagpie site and its rubbish who on earth is going to sit there all day typing barcodes for 50p, I wouldnt and many others wouldnt but schoolchildren is their market....his site/system will fail over time as it is.....just looked at my listings and his programme has kicked in, so down they go to £1.50 never mind zoverstocks....ban me again I will do my upmost to have you gone for good

squack

just noticed some more suspicious customer feedback left on zoverstocks playtrade account today. would you believe it one single customer has left identical positive comments for A DOZEN different items today. The vast majority of buyers on there don't even bother leaving 1 feedback, let alone 12.

If you were pleased with their service you might leave one representative comment to cover all the items you purchased

there seem to be a number of usernames that have left multiple positive feedbacks, as we all know it is very easy to change usernames on there too, if we could get the history of this then I think you might see a pattern emerging

johnnyboyrebel

chance1000000 wrote: »

I forwarded the threatning email to play.com and I got an automated reply saying "we take this seriously and will look into it etc" next thing I knew I was off play, I contacted play by phone and I was suspended for lowering prices with my automated programme thats why I feel very stong about these programmes being banned so everyone is equill.. My volume has gone down dramatically since this clown started selling or should I say cheating the system and complains when they are beaten. 3 years ago I was selling around £60000 items, then more or less halved last year and this year has gone to around £15000 this past week Ive sold 2 yes 2 I am dropping each and everyitem I have right down to £2 each, you never know I might get kicked off in doing so....They dont like competition.....bottom line is that they shouldnt be trading with the violations they have and also if they are as big as they say they are then wouldnt it be more profitable to get their own selling site and even allow others to sell on it....they are only a small business that is demoting online sales....many of you have these pointless programmes and we just live with them but zoverstocks is just being ridiculous...I looked at their musicmagpie site and its rubbish who on earth is going to sit there all day typing barcodes for 50p, I wouldnt and many others wouldnt but schoolchildren is their market....his site/system will fail over time as it is.....just looked at my listings and his programme has kicked in, so down they go to £1.50 never mind zoverstocks....ban me again I will do my upmost to have you gone for good

Hi mate, if Play kicked you off for using pricing software then I can only assume you didn't set it up properly using their direct API? If you just had a normal pro account and used the likes of Sellermania then perhaps Play don't like this, I'm not sure.

Going by the numbers you are quoting of sales you were getting then you most definitely need to set this up properly with Playtrade, contact them and get the API set up then you're home dry :beer:

johnnyboyrebel

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Sorry to dissappoint you mate but I have no idea who James is?? Believe it or not I am simply commenting on this thread as it is interesting to me, is this not why we are all here? If I was somehow defending them then so be it but as I have never even heard of them, as said previously, then I am just commenting like the rest of you.