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what dogs are dangerous?

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  • Totally agree with Spender's comments. I have a 2 year old Staffie. My pal, i love him to bits but I have to agree there is no way i would leave him alone with children. As previously stated we all have our bad days dogs included. The only times I do allow him off the lead is when we are totally alone in an enclosed field not too far away from where we live. No one else can get in and he cant get out. Anyother time he is always on a lead. I take with me both his normal every day lead and also an extending lead. This then allows him some slack but I am still the one in control. I have started taking him to classes and we both enjoy it. He socialises with other dogs and as previously mentioned it also gets him used to other people. At the classes that I attend we have been told never ever to go up to stroke a dog unless you first ask the owner if it is okay to do so. With regards to the press sensationalising always sells papers. My sympathies as well to anyone who has had the misfortune of being bitten. I do feel sorry for the Rottie owners at the minute I wonder who will be next!!! Dog owners do have to take on the responsibility when purchasing a dog and so they should. I for one would have no problem always ensuring that my dog was on a lead at all times when out. I have no problem with this. Surely this would only help matters not make them worse.
  • gravitytolls
    gravitytolls Posts: 13,558 Forumite
    I agree, dog owners have a responsibility to ensure safety.

    The thing is, they can all be unpredictable. Blimey, is there a day when someone doesn't hink 'ooh-er' about someone's posts being tetchy? I know when I'm having a bad day, I can seem ar$ey, and there's nothing I cna do about it.

    My moggy has huffy days, and I guess dogs do too. Perhaps it's not so noticable. Cats sulk, as do humans, dogs tend not to. So, if they're in a bad mood, and someone pushes them too far, snap!

    Today, my mum took her GS out. As always, she allowed her off the lead. When a cyclist approached, she said 'sit.' The dog sat, and then laid. The cyclist stopped and dismounted when he reached the dog - presumably so as not to scare her.

    The opposite occurred. The dog was spooked, I guess she expected him to cycle on, as that's what normally happens, and found him threatening when he dismounted. She leapt up, and bit his arm. He wa sleft with puncture wounds, and blood trickled down his sleeve.

    He took my extremly apologetic mum's address, and warned her he may contact the police.

    The thing is, the dog's routine was entirely usual, except for the cyclist. So, a small thing can make a big difference to an animal.

    No offence Ants, but I really wish people wouldn't tie their dogs up outside shops. I live in a village, and I kind of htink it's OK in this situation, as most people are stopping at the shop whilst walking their dog.

    But in town, and outside supermarkets, I find it disconcerting. It is th eone time that I may have my hands full, and may not be able to prevent an enthusiastic toddler from hugging the cuddly doggy before it bites her face off.

    Now, before anyone assures me they're walking their dog too, toddler shoudl be more controllable, my dog wouldn't bite, let me say, OK, I'm aware of these things. But ...

    Walking through town with pavements filled with dog walkers woudl be as bad as pavements filled with cyclists/pushchairs - they get in the way.
    Toddlers are as unpredictable as animals, and no matter how well trained, can become difficult at any given moment.
    I don't knwo your dog won't bite, and my toddler assumes no dogs bite, cos her's doesn't.
    I ave a dodgy H, so sometimes I will sound dead common, on occasion dead stupid and rarely, pig ignorant. Sometimes I may be these things, but I will always blame it on my dodgy H.

    Sorry, I'm a bit of a grumble weed today, no offence intended ... well it might be, but I'll be sorry.
  • IvanOpinion
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    The thing is, they can all be unpredictable. Blimey, is there a day when someone doesn't hink 'ooh-er' about someone's posts being tetchy? I know when I'm having a bad day, I can seem ar$ey, and there's nothing I cna do about it.
    Our last dog would huff for over a week if we put her in kennels. She would go to a part of the room were she could turn her back on both DW and I and just sit there even if meant staring at a blank wall for hours.
    No offence Ants, but I really wish people wouldn't tie their dogs up outside shops. I live in a village, and I kind of htink it's OK in this situation, as most people are stopping at the shop whilst walking their dog.
    .. and some people 'steal' dogs from outside shops .. sometimes for ransom money or sometimes to be used as 'bait' to train their pitbulls etc. (who says humans are a better animal than dogs?). I do agree that they should not be tied up directly outside doors though ... if you have to then move them well away from the entrance, somewhere that the dog can see around it and not get spooked.
    I don't knwo your dog won't bite, and my toddler assumes no dogs bite, cos her's doesn't.
    That is the big issue. One of our dogs does not like small girls with dark hair .. she is fine with boys or fair hair .. obviously due to some form of mistreatment in the past ... she wouldn't atack but she gives little dark haired girls a very wide berth.

    Ivan
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  • IvanOpinion
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    Agreed, but I'm curious as to why you said 'including children' rather than 'including people' since this is important for adults too?
    Sorry GR, I missed this one on the way through. The reason is that dogs are very like children in how they behave .. they do not necessarily understand boundaries or just how strong they can be but yet they still know when they have done wrong. If you left a child alone for hours on end with nothing to amuse them or every time you took them out they were not allowed to explore, socialise and learn then they would become very tetchy ... any animal is no different.

    Adults are slightly different, yes they also need exercise and stimulus but, with the exception of the knuckle draggers in society, they are fully aware of boundaries and the damage they are capable of and should know how to control that.

    Ivan
    I don't care about your first world problems; I have enough of my own!
  • Emmy
    Emmy Posts: 1,929 Forumite
    What dogs are dangerous??? The ones with teeth in their heads :D
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  • vics_1982
    vics_1982 Posts: 194 Forumite
    We have a Henry the jack russell, he is not true to form and is as soft as lights and obessed with playing with his ball all day, we have kids come to play with him (once they have asked my permission). We also have Maisie the rotweiler, she is also as soft as lights and if she wants to join in and play she does if not she goes to be on her own, Maisie had a really bad start in life and we got her as a 18 week old, when she arrived she used to bark and bite peoples ankles, my oh sorted her out though and now she love cuddles, the home she cam from was training her to be a security dog but she didnt have enouogh agressiveness, don't get me wrong she could be scary but not enough to gaurd land etc, anyhoo... my oh sorted her ou by showing her who was boss, now if maisie has had enough she will go and lay on her bed. Her teritory that no one else goes to. The other day i caught one of the children pulling her ears and generally being anoying, she put up with it for about five minutes then had enough and went to her bed, he followed her(friends child) and she growled and showed her teeth, enough you would think for the boy to leave her alone....oh no, he kept on so she moved again. i had to tell the boy to leave her.

    Poor maisie does get grumpy but who doesn;t??

    I love my dogs and trust them with me however i would never ever leave kids around them just incase, likewise i would never let kids around cattle, horses etc because they do not understand.
    I was double barrelled by a horse when i was about 7, that was because i walked up to it from behind a scared it, shouold that be put down to?? Nope.....(i own one now so didn't do to much damage).

    Anyhow, the point is i know my dogs wouldn't hurt anyone but i would never leave it to chance, one thing with maisie is she is funny about men (bless her) and i know that if a man attacked me she would have him, (i mean punching me attacked)
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  • Anthillmob
    Anthillmob Posts: 11,780 Forumite
    No offence Ants, but I really wish people wouldn't tie their dogs up outside shops. I live in a village, and I kind of htink it's OK in this situation, as most people are stopping at the shop whilst walking their dog.

    But in town, and outside supermarkets, I find it disconcerting. It is th eone time that I may have my hands full, and may not be able to prevent an enthusiastic toddler from hugging the cuddly doggy before it bites her face off.

    oh no i never take him out shopping with me. the ionly shop i leave him outside is the paper shop down the road.
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  • gravitytolls
    gravitytolls Posts: 13,558 Forumite
    Fair enough, I would too.

    Incidentally, I felt I must tell you all that I believe I am now in possession of a dangerous dog. My Chinese Crested savagely attacked a teddy bear today, resulting in a missing ear!

    Ooh, the death knell tolls.
    I ave a dodgy H, so sometimes I will sound dead common, on occasion dead stupid and rarely, pig ignorant. Sometimes I may be these things, but I will always blame it on my dodgy H.

    Sorry, I'm a bit of a grumble weed today, no offence intended ... well it might be, but I'll be sorry.
  • IvanOpinion
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    Incidentally, I felt I must tell you all that I believe I am now in possession of a dangerous dog. My Chinese Crested savagely attacked a teddy bear today, resulting in a missing ear!
    ... from th dog or the teddy bear ... one of our neighboiurs has a Chinese crsted thingy and in a fight my money is on the teddy bear :D

    ivan
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    I am really glad you have a field princessfiona.

    We are pee`d off with some locals exercising their dogs on our property. They walk them up our private road and let them poo all over the place and also in a field in which children play. They totally abuse the public footpath

    The local farmer has a similar problem and had to resort to a chain and padlock on his field gate

    I like dogs but I hate irresponsible dog owners, especially the ones who don`t take the poo home to dispose of safely

    There isn`t just danger from aggression but also from disease etc. I read that toxocara c is present in 50% of dog poo (and also cat poo). The 50% could represent the fact that it is the same people leaving poo who cannot be bothered to worm their pets hence the high percentage
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