JJB gave grandsons ipod away.

piglet25

My daughter dropped her mobile on the school bus, which is also used out of hours as a taxi. The driver found it and rang us to tell us he had it, we were going on hols and asked him to keep it for her untill we got back and he agreed to. Apparently he put it in the drivers door pocket and when we returned she asked for the phone and he told her it had gone missing and that one of the taxi passengers must have taken it. Which is fair enough I suppose but because he was so smarmy about it I rang the council (because he is contracted to them for school transport) and explained that he had found it and then lost it so where did we stand and they said as he had admitted to finding it in the first place it was his responsibility to replace it and they called him to tell him. As it happens I went halves with him because it was her fault for losong it in the first place, but it sounds to me like the same issue here so I would definately keep on at them as it was in their care and they should have asked a few questions before handing it over to make sure it was that womans.

pulliptears

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Sorry pulliptears - I didn't even realise it was you and not OP, no excuses I was wrong.

Grovelling apology given

hehe thank you

pulliptears

Just to add as well, on holiday last month OH and BIL found TWO mobile phones in the space of 15 minutes. One left on a bench, one left on the roof of a car and came flying at them as they turned the corner. Both owners were happily reunited with the phones they lost within half an hour.

Most people are honest.

Freddie_Snowbits

pulliptears wrote: »

What got under my skin about that particular episode (though all theft grates on me) was that she knowingly took Easter Eggs which were in all probability gifts for children and you thought it was amusing.

As I recall it was one Egg, it was lovelly and a Lidt one, not one enjoyed by children.

In essence, a luxury item. Cannot find the link though, but ....

On the other had, I found a bank card the other week in a lkayby, obviously dropped by some lorry driver or same. handed that in at my local TSB, though I did not give my name.

foxwales

This is covered by the UK Theft Act 1968 in which the Act clearly states that theft is:

A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.

JJB have evidence to support that your grandsons Ipod was knowingly obtained through means of deception. She, the woman in question, knowingly deceived the shop assistant in claiming that the Ipod was hers.

This matter only remains a civil matter if the parties involved are between you and JJB. Pursuance of the woman who obtained the Ipod is a criminal matter and as such the police are obliged to record this matter as a crime.

Contact the police again and inform them that you want to report a crime, specifically state the definition under the Theft Act 1968 if they again refer you to civil proceedings. If they again are not prepared to record this as a crime, then you have every right to lodge a complaint against your local police with the police authority.

There is more than sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Ipod was obtained through means of dishonesty and can be defined under Section 6 subsection 1 of the Theft Act 1968.

The law is there to serve both Nation and Citizen. Use it and good luck

pulliptears

Freddie_Snowbits wrote: »

As I recall it was one Egg, it was lovelly and a Lidt one, not one enjoyed by children.

In essence, a luxury item. Cannot find the link though, but ....

On the other had, I found a bank card the other week in a lkayby, obviously dropped by some lorry driver or same. handed that in at my local TSB, though I did not give my name.

My memory told me it was a bag full, but as the link is AWOL...

Either way, one egg or a dozen it was still theft.

crabyducky

pmduk wrote: »

Finders keepers is legally known as theft by finding.

Beat me to it.

Just an idea you said it is covered unde the insuranxe but the excess is £150 the same value as another. Have you phoned them and asked them where you stand. They may be able to help you.

Complain to our local mp and newspapers JJB will surely welcone such great publicity.

EDIT:

oh by the way what the hell is an 11 year old doing with a £150 ipod??

pulliptears

I found it, your original boast was removed but someone quoted it:

Originally Posted by Freddie_Snowbits
With apologies to my last post, Good Old Lady Freda Snowbits has just come back from Waitrose, and some numptie left their muppet food behind! Happy Easter, Lindt Egg and bunny worth £15! Yum Yum, not cost her a penny and chocolate is a girls best friend!

From here:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/813353

crabyducky wrote: »

oh by the way what the hell is an 11 year old doing with a £150 ipod??

And why not? If the parents can afford it, its has absolutely nothing to do with you how they choose to spend their hard earned it it?

Physio88

How on Earth have people managed to twist this from a blatant and devious con and theft into blaming his parents for allowing the child to have an ipod? Yes the child should have been more careful, but everyone makes mistakes, I know I have lost things before as I am sure everyone has.

In any which way you choose to look at this situation it is impossible to deny that this is a theft, a crime, and the child is the victim and does not deserve the criticism received, nor do the parents/grandparents. Where does it stop being finders keepers (theft by finding) and start being theft; if I leave my car keys in my car and somebody drives off and keeps it, is this not theft? It is exactly the same thing albeit on a larger scale. It is negligible to leave something of yours unattended, but it does not stop being yours the minute you have your back turned. The police really should be taking an interest in this, the woman is a thief and a criminal, surely the police have some sort of duty to pursue this.

I also feel that the JJB staff member who gave away the ipod without any form of questioning (apart from telling the false claimant what they are trying to steal) has not followed a reasonable duty of care to something that does not belong to them. For an item this expensive some sort of identification and information should be taken, I fail to believe that JJB do not have a lost property policy.

Without looking into it further all I can suggest it to keep chasing up the police and JJB and do all that you can to try and obtain a copy of the CCTV as this is vital evidence in your cause. Good luck.

Freddie_Snowbits

pulliptears wrote: »

My memory told me it was a bag full, but as the link is AWOL...

Either way, one egg or a dozen it was still theft.

Correct. But without the evidence, it is hard to deal with. In other ways, when is it morally correct to 'wander off' with the goods knowingly not yours.

1 A £150 iPOD
2 A £15 Easter Egg
3 A Bank Card, left in a Layby
4 A Pensioners bag of Shopping
5 A bank card with pin number stuck on it or in a wallet

Interesting now

(Oh and answer the second part of my original post PTs)