JJB gave grandsons ipod away.

Freddie_Snowbits

zaksmum wrote: »

Couldn't agree more meepster. It's mad giving a kid like that an ipod worth £150

At my school we used to go in studs up when we played the local private school at soccer. That is another story. Do you know what, if you could afford to loose a £150 iPOD, then loose one. Sorry, I do not get that.

Alas, some of the best toys I have seen kids with cost nothing, get me bloody well soaked and reconnects people. Last year my Beaver pack did Camera Obsuras, ‘Fish tanks’, paper aeroplanes and the like. How much did these cost, next to nought, after the cereals were eaten.

Guess what. Of all the expensive toys that people will heap on their ‘brats’ this coming season, bet you cannot beat a Cereal packet fish tank, with ‘Jelly Fish, used ice lolly stick, bit of blooming blue tack as a fishing rod.

Hope the kid got his new football top for £50, next season he will get another one as well.

Rant Over Finders, Keepers

pulliptears

Freddie_Snowbits wrote: »

<snip>Finders, Keepers

Finding ipod on bench walking away with it is theft pure and simple. Seeing staff member put ipod behind counter and then falsely claiming it is yours is also theft.

Finding that someone left a bag full of Easter Eggs in a trolley and taking them home with you is also theft.

Finders Keepers losers weepers?

While losers may no longer have physical possession of an item, they still retain legal entitlement to it.
Therefore, in England and Wales, as well as in most other countries across the world, the onus is on the finder to take what the law describes as "reasonable steps" to track down the loser.

FatAndy

*gem* wrote: »

The police should be helping. A friend of mine dropped some money in a shop because it fell out of her pocket while she was paying at the till. The police used the stores CCTV to trace the lady who had picked it up and made her pay it back. Keep on at the police.

Many years ago I worked in a branch of a High Street bank. One day a customer came in pay in the takings from a local club. When the man handed over his cash it was £1000 short. When the CCTV was checked it turned out he'd dropped a bundle of notes and a little old granny stood behind had swooped and grabbed the cash! Nobody knew who she was so it appeared she'd got away with the loot.

A month later the same old lady came back into the branch. It turned out she had a catalogue account and came in once a month to make a payment. By chance on the day she came in the local police were holding some sort of recruitment event right outside the branch so someone called one of the police officers over and the granny got nicked.

It turned out she hadn't actually spent any of her ill gotten gains so the club eventually got their grand back intact.

pmduk

Finders keepers is legally known as theft by finding.

adouglasmhor

pulliptears wrote: »

Im going OT here (sorry OP!) but why the heck should I make my kids "make do". We have a good family income, we can afford to treat our kids. I'm sick of hearing the argument about how kids want what the other kids have. Kids need to learn that sometimes other kids have things they can't. I'm not going to deprive my children of an ipod because little Jimmy might get jealous. We work damned hard for the money we have and will spend it how we see fit, if that is by treating our kids to something then so be it.

As for your comment that kids dont look after things, please don't tar all children with the same brush. My children have had ipods and phones for years without managing to lose or damage them. They fully appreciate what they have and take care of it.

/end rant.

Well in that case buy him a new iPod. He lost it, you replace it, he replaces it or you do without. I suggest he does without or replaces it himself and he may be a bit more careful the next time he is out with something of value. leaving it in a shop was not taking care of it, was it?

I have been through a similar situation may years ago where a numpty came into a place I was working and left a shopping bag containing a pair of levis, a leather jacket, a top, some cds and a poster. I had them locked in the manager’s office and about 40 minutes later a young woman came in and described the contents so I gave her the bag and contents.
Shortly after hat a young man came in and on being told someone had already claimed it. I got the whole gamut of threats from the police, suing us, beating me up, getting a gang to beat me up, he ended up dropping a milk shake on the floor.
Months later after I had left the job and gone onto better things I met the security guard from the place it happened, he had left as well and we went for a pint. He introduced me to his sister - who was the one who had claimed the bag! Ratbag - but it was far too late to do anything about it. He must have called her and told her the contents so she could claim it.

adouglasmhor

pulliptears wrote: »

Finding ipod on bench walking away with it is theft pure and simple. Seeing staff member put ipod behind counter and then falsely claiming it is yours is also theft.

Finding that someone left a bag full of Easter Eggs in a trolley and taking them home with you is also theft.

Finders Keepers losers weepers?

While losers may no longer have physical possession of an item, they still retain legal entitlement to it.
Therefore, in England and Wales, as well as in most other countries across the world, the onus is on the finder to take what the law describes as "reasonable steps" to track down the loser.

Theft by finding also exists in Scots law. Reasonable steps is a rather vague term though. Interpretation is everything.

pulliptears

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Well in that case buy him a new iPod. He lost it, you replace it, he replaces it or you do without. I suggest he does without or replaces it himself and he may be a bit more careful the next time he is out with something of value. leaving it in a shop was not taking care of it, was it?

I have been through a similar situation may years ago where a numpty came into a place I was working and left a shopping bag containing a pair of levis, a leather jacket, a top, some cds and a poster. I had them locked in the manager’s office and about 40 minutes later a young woman came in and described the contents so I gave her the bag and contents.
Shortly after hat a young man came in and on being told someone had already claimed it. I got the whole gamut of threats from the police, suing us, beating me up, getting a gang to beat me up, he ended up dropping a milk shake on the floor.
Months later after I had left the job and gone onto better things I met the security guard from the place it happened, he had left as well and we went for a pint. He introduced me to his sister - who was the one who had claimed the bag! Ratbag - but it was far too late to do anything about it. He must have called her and told her the contents so she could claim it.

Excuse me? You may want to go back and reread a little more carefully. None of my children have ever lost their ipods/phones etc OP's Grandson lost his, but as I am not OP....

I await your apology.

Freddie_Snowbits

In essence the 'Finder' is nto at fault here then, but the person who falsely claimed it was theirs is the thief. So JJB still are not negligent, OPs son has no iPOD, through their negligence?

As for the Easter Egg, throw that one into the mix. In a way, if the originally owner does not come back, the finder does become the keeper?

(oops what have I started)

adouglasmhor

pulliptears wrote: »

Excuse me? You may want to go back and reread a little more carefully. None of my children have ever lost their ipods/phones etc OP's Grandson lost his, but as I am not OP....

I await your apology.

Sorry pulliptears - I didn't even realise it was you and not OP, no excuses I was wrong.

Grovelling apology given

pulliptears

Freddie_Snowbits wrote: »

In essence the 'Finder' is nto at fault here then, but the person who falsely claimed it was theirs is the thief. So JJB still are not negligent, OPs son has no iPOD, through their negligence?

As for the Easter Egg, throw that one into the mix. In a way, if the originally owner does not come back, the finder does become the keeper?

(oops what have I started)

As far as the easter eggs were concerned that was simple theft. Your wife found them in the trolley and took them home. Had she left them at customer services and they were not claimed within a reasonable period of time then she could have claimed them, however, as she just took them the original owner did not stand a chance.

What got under my skin about that particular episode (though all theft grates on me) was that she knowingly took Easter Eggs which were in all probability gifts for children and you thought it was amusing.