JJB gave grandsons ipod away.

Freddie_Snowbits

INT1 wrote: »

I pay tax as well, in fact I pay a lot of tax, however it is what they get paid to do. The thief took an iPod today, oppurtunist, she might of thought "That was easy" so whats the next thing she could steal...

Even thoughI lost my racing bike, I reported this to the police, it was never recoverd.

Same I think about the iPOD.

zaksmum

Can I just say that my son works very hard to give his two boys the best he can in life and while I do agree that it's silly to give a £150 ipod to a scatterbrained 11 year old who can't look after it properly, it was a birthday present and he's far from the only kid in his class with one. As one poster said, he does get the £50 football shirt every season too...ALL the kids do. My son wants to give his boys these things and he's quite entitled to do so with his own money, having never claimed a penny in benefits in his life.

My grandsons have been brought up with standards...they would never dream of stealing and are polite with good manners.

Yes, it is a lesson for my grandson as the ipod has not (and will not) be replaced because he SHOULD have taken better care of it and he does have to learn. But it's sad that he has to see that theft and/or fraud reward the unscrupulous and go unpunished.

The woman who took it is obviously an opportunist thief who probably can't believe her luck when, after realising she'd paid via credit card and was traceable, she hasn't had any questioning from the police.

I do appreciate the advice given, aveylee's was especially helpful and I will look into what was mentioned.

I would like to see my son get some recompense for my grandson's ipod from JJB as I do think they should have taken more care to establish ownership of the ipod having accepted it into their safekeeping. But I'm not holding my breath.

sexyboy

my view as a lawyer is you're not going to get anywhere with JJB. they are not responsible for the criminal actions of customers. they responded reasonably when asked if someone had handed in an ipod. don't try to attach blame on a member of staff who acted like many of us would have.
However a complaint (in writing: no telephone calls, informal chats etc) to the senior officer at the police station will result in a prosecution and compensation being payable by the offender.

OlliesDad

Physio88 wrote: »

Thats interesting, so even if the JJB staff member picked it up off the bench before giving it to the woman?

I work as a lifeguard and often have customers asking to look after jewellery and other items they have forgot to put in a locker. We are not allowed to look after property. We do allow customers to place their property on the desk but they must do so themselves and agree and understand that we will not be liable for damage/missing property. However, it is the customers who put it their, we never take physically take possession of the property.

It is likely that this is for the same reason. If you accept the item from the customer to look after, you have willfully take possesion of the item and under bailment law you are responsible for that item.

If you tell them they can leave the items on the desk at their own risk, then you are not taking possession.

Knowledge of who the true owner was is irrelevant, it is the physical delivering up of the goods to someone who is not the owner which would trigger liability (Kuwait Airways v. Iraqi Airways 2002).

In that case the Bailer took possesion of the goods, the possesion was not forced upon them, therefore that case would not be relevant in this situation.

sexyboy

aveylee wrote: »

What I would argue is that JJB by taking control of the goods misappropriated them from the owner.
The tort is one of strict liability. What you would have to proove was that JJB took the goods, and then gave them away.
Knowledge of who the true owner was is irrelevant, it is the physical delivering up of the goods to someone who is not the owner which would trigger liability (Kuwait Airways v. Iraqi Airways 2002).
Damages would cover the owners full interest in the property, i.e. if it was worth £150 then £150 would be the restitutional figure for compensation.
The only issue would be whether the company was 'appropriating' the goods by taking control of them, or whether they could argue that there was an implied right to secure the goods in a lost property section.
The counter argument would be however be that an act of misappropriation would occur when JJB physically pick up the goods and give them to the person falsely claiming the goods in any case.

i'm sorry but the Kuwait case make no such point, this was an Kuwait aircraft taken by the old regime of Iraq. there were public policy considerations in the House of Lords case. To quote that at JJB, their legal department would simply think, "what's she on about?"

Freddie_Snowbits

zaksmum wrote: »

Can I just say that my son works very hard to give his two boys the best he can in life and while I do agree that it's silly to give a £150 ipod to a scatterbrained 11 year old who can't look after it properly, it was a birthday present and he's far from the only kid in his class with one. As one poster said, he does get the £50 football shirt every season too...ALL the kids do. My son wants to give his boys these things and he's quite entitled to do so with his own money, having never claimed a penny in benefits in his life.

So he gives back the family allowance and you never took it when he was young? No, I am ranting here and this should not be personal

zaksmum wrote: »

The woman who took it is obviously an opportunist thief who probably can't believe her luck when, after realising she'd paid via credit card and was traceable, she hasn't had any questioning from the police.

In this case, gathering eveidence would be easy, how come you know this and point it out here, get down the Cop Shop and tell them not us.

zaksmum wrote: »

I would like to see my son get some recompense for my grandson's ipod from JJB as I do think they should have taken more care to establish ownership of the ipod having accepted it into their safekeeping. But I'm not holding my breath.

The recompense is part of lifes rich tapetsry, next time he will look after it and appreciate it more, I felt the same when I lost my racing bike, but it took me 6 moths of paper rounds etc to save enough to get a replacement. That way he will appreciate it even more.

As for the new football shirt, when we have foster kids, they love the charity shop, to them it is an un kindled emporium of mystery.

WhiteHorse

zaksmum wrote: »

Son contacted the police but they say it's a civil matter, nothing they can do. Wrote to JJB Head Office and got the same reply.

Both JJB and the Police are LYING (not mistaken, LYING). It is clearly theft.

The Police often do that these days. Assault is 'not a Police matter'. Many thefts are not either, or so they say. These days, the Police only seem interested in anything political.

The Police are lazy and trying to fiddle the crime figures. JJB know that they messed up and are trying to evade any liability. All JJB's talk about how they're 'not allowed' to use the credit card information to trace a thief is utter bullsh*t. Not only can they do so, they are legally required to do so (their failure to make suitable enquiry as to the ownership of the lost property also puts them into the frame for liability, too).

Make a complaint of theft to the Police (don't allow them to put you off). And make a formal complaint against the Police for lying to you.

Velcro_Hotdog

Why are people so anrgy that JJB or the police are unwilling to help?

I say good on the police for not wasting time and money chasing a stupid ithingy that was lost by a child. As for JJB what should they have done? What could they have done? And do they get paid enough to care?

Harsh lesson to learn at 11 but I bet he never makes that mistake again.

pulliptears

Freddie_Snowbits wrote: »

So he gives back the family allowance and you never took it when he was young? No, I am ranting here and this should not be personal

!!!!!! has child benefit, a right for every child in this country, got to do with anything. You know what OP means, you just want to try and stir the pot a little more don't you?

Fortunately for OP, I think she has the measure of you Freddie, like most others on this thread.

pulliptears

Velcro_Hotdog wrote: »

Why are people so anrgy that JJB or the police are unwilling to help?

I say good on the police for not wasting time and money chasing a stupid ithingy that was lost by a child. As for JJB what should they have done? What could they have done? And do they get paid enough to care?

Harsh lesson to learn at 11 but I bet he never makes that mistake again.

Lost yes, then returned, then STOLEN