Illegal Behaviour

liney

Perhaps we should only have ex-cons on jury duty, as anyone else might be prejudice. Really.:rolleyes:

krisskross

peter999 wrote:

Yes, you are prejudiced & this will compromise decisions you take.

Many forms of prejudice have been outlawed.
Nowadays there are many codes of conduct in the workplace.

Just because a prejudice has not been openly displayed/observed, it will affect your decisions.

You should see your boss & tell him what you have said here
& let them make the decision whether you stay in your job or assigned elsewhere.
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What a load of tommyrot. I believe in Euthanasia, mostly as a result of the suffering I saw whilst working in the nursing field. Are you truly suggesting that my thoughts should have precluded me from that line of work? In fact what I did was to take a course in palliative care which was the best I could do in the circumstances.

saintjanet

This debate seems to have taken many twists and turns and one of the concerns people seem to have is how their tax money is spent and quite rightly so.

Dont forget though before you complain about your tax being spent on benefits,remember you could be next years disabled person,jobseeker,or single parent,through no fault of your own.

Do you really think the governments main priority is to make sure benefits go to the right people? No there main concern is to get the benefits bill down.The way they will go about this is by using your "concerns"to instigate more cuts long term in all areas,pensions included this is not what I want do you? Of course they should be looking at the people who abuse the system but like at the CSA they mainly look at easy targets.

I have paid tax for more years than most but feel it is necessary in a civilised country,to look after eveyone,i have paid towards the education of many children and have none of my own and also paid the child benefits their parents receive who themselves earn a lot more than I do.I have never claimed ANY benefits of any description myself either,yet still dont mind paying tax to subsidise others, I think I have been lucky,unlike many of my friends and relatives to have always had a job.

Gorgeous_George

What bugs me is when people claim to be an out-of-work manager or an out-of-work lathe-turner etc.

If you are out-of-work you are out-of-work. Unemployed. Previous working background is nothing to do with what you are now. This is a dead parrot (Monty Python moment - sorry).

Back to the thread. I do not think the OP is prejudiced. Anyone who considers themselves honest members of society should report those suspected of defrauding the system and there should be 0800 numbers available for them to do so. People found guity of benefit fraud should be made to pay back double the amount that they have stolen.

Good thread.



GG

peter999

krisskross wrote:

What a load of tommyrot. I believe in Euthanasia, mostly as a result of the suffering I saw whilst working in the nursing field. Are you truly suggesting that my thoughts should have precluded me from that line of work? In fact what I did was to take a course in palliative care which was the best I could do in the circumstances.

Read robindunne1 posts:

He has made prejudiced comments against people on benefits working in DWP.

This will compromise decisions he takes.

Many forms of prejudice have been outlawed.
Nowadays there are many codes of conduct in the workplace.

Just because a prejudice has not been openly displayed/observed, it will affect decisions.
.

clairehi

saintjanet wrote:

This debate seems to have taken many twists and turns and one of the concerns people seem to have is how their tax money is spent and quite rightly so.

Dont forget though before you complain about your tax being spent on benefits,remember you could be next years disabled person,jobseeker,or single parent,through no fault of your own.

Do you really think the governments main priority is to make sure benefits go to the right people? No there main concern is to get the benefits bill down.The way they will go about this is by using your "concerns"to instigate more cuts long term in all areas,pensions included this is not what I want do you? Of course they should be looking at the people who abuse the system but like at the CSA they mainly look at easy targets.

I have paid tax for more years than most but feel it is necessary in a civilised country,to look after eveyone,i have paid towards the education of many children and have none of my own and also paid the child benefits their parents receive who themselves earn a lot more than I do.I have never claimed ANY benefits of any description myself either,yet still dont mind paying tax to subsidise others, I think I have been lucky,unlike many of my friends and relatives to have always had a job.

Wish I could thank you more than once for this! Totally agree.

Chrysalis

For those of you not happy paying tax and seeing people getting benefits not going to work etc. Then when one day if you get bad luck and fall ill and as such cant work then decide to claim something like IB, fail the medical because they made the medical strict due to people like you complaing that their should be less claimants would you then be angry that you have been working paying your NI contributions but then find you claim no the very thing that your NI is supposed to have covered you for? many people feel like this because the system is already very strict as taxpayers like to see benefit claimants cut down more and more, their will always be "some" people who out of choice refuse to work no matter how strict the system is made but the people who "cannot" work get punished by the stricter rules.

robindunne1

peter999 wrote:

Read robindunne1 posts:

He has made prejudiced comments against people on benefits working in DWP.

This will compromise decisions he takes.

Many forms of prejudice have been outlawed.
Nowadays there are many codes of conduct in the workplace.

Just because a prejudice has not been openly displayed/observed, it will affect decisions.
.

Very bizarre when people read what they want to and form their own opinions. Read the whole thread and you will realise it is my reposnsibility as a civil servant to make sure public funds are not abused by people who BREAK THE LAW. Before you ask, I am not writing this during paid time at work.

I have never said ANYTHING prejudice against genuine people who need the help. In fact, I wish they could get more help.

I am against people who lie, cheat and steal for their own good. These people do the real harm against those in need. Heck, I receive a good amount of child benefit and tax credits that help towards my wife and I bringing up our children. I am very thankful for that and can see the good that comes from such things.

Why is it that some people always seem to try their best to look victimised - get very defensive and jump at peoples comments if they feel threatened.

If I didn't have the views I have and looked on people who abuse the system with some degree of allowance I would be incapable of doing my job.

Those who break the law should be punished accordingly, anyone who thinks differently should seriously examine themselves.

JohnInDebt

Too many people are reading posts and interpreting them the way they want.

Quite simply the benfits system should only be as a safety net for those that need it most, they shouldn't be used as a way of life (unless you are disabled of course). A lot of us here are quite happy to pay into the system but get infuriated when people are falsely claiming just to maintain a lifestyle which they cannot afford (gym membership, sky tv etc...).

If the benefits system was cleaned up then hopefully more money would go to those that need it most.

My first job required me to walk 4 miles to the train station (no buses running at 5:30 am) then catch a train and wait 30 mins at the other for a bus which took me to 1 mile from my job, then a brisk walk up the hill to make sure I was there for 8:30am (if the bus was late I would have to run up the hill!!). Going home was slightly easier as I only needed to catch 2 buses, even though I didn't get home until gone 7:30pm (I finished work at 5). Basically an 8 hour job had me out of the house for 14 hours. How many people would also do the same and how many would just decide to take the easier option and stay at home?

A lot of my current debt was build up during this period as I wasn't earning enough to pay the bills. I'm still glad that I took the harder option, staying at home would have been easier but I would have been spending other peoples money!!!

kev1n3

Fran wrote:

Perhaps nothing has done because you are wrong about any fraud (which is presumably your thought)?

You CAN earn money when on DLA, it is not an income related benefit.

Also I believe another person can drive a disabled person's car to take them around?

It is this reporting attitude without knowing the facts that gives genuine people the stigma attached to all benefit claimants.

1. When in receipt of DLA, is it not the case that the claimant would also be in receipt of some sort of weekly payments benefits from the DWP also? Then surly work (receiving monies) is classed as fraudulent.

2 You are correct that a nominated driver can drive a disabled person’s mobility car. In this case the car HAD stood in the car park for many months displaying the valid DLA tax disk. I might add at this point the car now has been revoked.

3. I think reporting fraud can never be 100% accurate from the informer, but isn’t it the fraud dept job to investigate a suspicion?