Illegal Behaviour

kev1n3

peter999 wrote:

Why would they be bragging to you about it ??

Putting your money where your mouth is & make those accusations to their face & see what they say.
Go public & take responsibility for your accusations.

You're looking for excuses to scrap the system and support your wonderful "theory".
Tomorrow you'll have another brilliant theory & I will sort out poverty in the world.

peter999

For your information "Mr Angry" they know I wasn’t happy with them because I told them so. I have no problems with anyone knowing I would TELL on them if they were screwing the system.. It’s MY tax money they are stealing.. As you will see if you look back thru the thread.. Its the people that truly need DLA that suffer the most. If its to take people like me to ROUTE out theses scoungers to ensure the right people get help then I am proud to defend the less fortunate in our society.

robindunne1

peter999 wrote:

No, you're thought processes are WRONG !!

Lucky we live in a democracy & don't have local/street vigilante decisions,
curtain twitchers snooping & making instant decisions on their neighbours.

peter999

Those people who pay tax have every right to ensure that their money is being used correctly.

Peter999 has jumped on the back of anyone who voices an opinion about tightening any kind of benefit legislation (or indeed enforcing legislation already in place).

Those who do not claim benefits have some of the very same financial pressures as those that do. Paying a mortgage, clothing the kids and making sure they have enough food to eat are things that do make me and others loose sleep at night. We try to make the most fo the money we earn and ensuring that our tax is used in the best manner is an extension of that.

Making sure the public purse is used appropriately is an important duty of any citizen and turning a blind eye to people we suspect of cheating goes against the grain.

Sure, there are people who use it to report people for fraud out of spite and ignorance just as there are some people who abuse the benefit system.

I don't think you will find many people who would not agree there is fundamental errors in the system. It is hard to understand for those people that need it most and does not fund the needs of some of the most vulnerable peope in society.

robindunne1

koalabear wrote:

I'd like the OP's view on people like me. I have been continually hounded by the compliance people. I was on IS and DLA for my child and when I started work i claimed tax credits. In that time I was investigated 4 times!

The last time was the worst, it wasn't so bad when they just knocked the door and said they've been watching me but when you get threatening letters saying they'd be more lenient if i confessed - well I was ready to confess to anything - just tell me what! I was terrified of going to prison with my kids in care.I was also called at my work and i had to find tons of bills,statements,ccard slips etc from 18 months ago,they had to know every single thing about my life.It cost £4 to post the documents and my bank charged me £5 for every monthly statement i didnt have.

Yes you do worry even if you're innocent, I couldn't eat or sleep for weeks. i know I shouldn't have been driving but I needed to go to work.My GP offered me a sick cert. as my blood pressure was through the roof but I didn't feel i could explain "IR investigation" to my gov. employers.

I dont claim benefits now, I'm lucky I dont have to pay rent so i can manage on my wage. I'd be entitled to daughters DLA and other benefits but I'd rather be poor than have this again.

I realise every case reported needs to be investigated, maybe these "anonymous" callers shouldnt be anonymous if they're so sure of their facts. It only takes 1 vindictive person causing trouble to make someone's life hell.

I'm not "trying" to be a victim, anyone faced with losing their home and family would feel threatened.

Also, if the IR compliance officers had concerns about me I would rather they just called me in and told me them.Why leave me hanging on for months wondering what was wrong? I've always been able to clear myself when confronted.

Your position is very unfortunate. I have known people in a similar position as you and have seen at close hand the trouble that misinformed and spiteful people can cause.

I would suggest that the people here that are the cause of your problem are those immoral people who claim illegally in the first place. If they did not claim in the first place there would be lesser need to investigate.

Hopefully you will have enough confidence in the system to rest assured that you will be innocent until proven guilty.

The fraud investgation unit at DWP are a necessary evil. In the same way we need to have the police, but there will always be miscarriages of justice.

slenderkitten

robindunne1 wrote:

I am an accountant who works for the DWP and I have seen some threads in this discussion area wondering if they should report someone for fraudulent behaviour.

Those who steal from the public purse to feed their own laziness and should be punished accordingly.

Think of the people approaching retirement who lose sleep at might wondering if their state pension will be enough to support them – even after paying NI for 40 years.

Think of the nurse who cannot afford to live because her pay is so bad.

The single mother who has been forced out on the street because of a violent husband.

People sat on NHS waiting lists for months needing an operation.

Lying about circumstances to have better benefits is stealing from the most vulnerable people in society. There should be no question over whether to report them or not

Anybody in receipt of benefits needs to seriously examine himself or herself to see if they can support themselves rather than dilute the pot for those people who may need it more. There are plenty of jobs in this country (enough to employ over half a million immigrants since the EU was expanded.) Those who choose not work, while being capable have stunted economic growth in this country for decades.

Working the system to bleed a couple of more quid out of it is immoral. Corrupt and fraudulent individuals not only steal financially from the poor, they also tarnish those who need help with a terrible reputation.

I would exhort anyone who knows of somebody who cheats the system to report them as soon as possible.

so you accuse people who claim benefit of being freeloaders without knowing their personal circumstances, you are on dangerous ground.

i know a couple of people in their 50's who are discriminated against because of their age, despite working in their respective industries with the highest professional qualifications for years, forget this new ageism law as it will do very little, some people have no choice but to claim, its either that or lose their home or be threatned with eviction for housing associations for not being able to pay.

i suggest a little more tact when it comes to people claiming benefits, do you forget the endless amounts of benefits that families claim and in some instances even if they are working they can make claims, child benefit for instance and many other benefits, are you having a dig at them because they CHOSE to have a child.

about 3 people have told me that they know someone who is claiming income support pretending to have depression because there is no way a doctor can say otherwise, i know someone who is doing this and has got away with it for 7 years, she goes on holidays spend the extra money she gets on clothes, going clubbing etc, because she doesn't have to sign on every two weeks like people claiming job seekers allowance

are you forgetting that some people who have disabilities or some other kind of conditions that does not enable them to ever work because of those conditions, are you forgetting about these people too.

have u even worked for an employment agencies, some of these are racist as pointed out in a documentary some months ago; not that i dont know about this as i have experienced this first hand,

do you really think it's that easy to get a job that your trained to do when you have age against you, minimum wage is now £5.35 companies will hire younger people more and more and immigrants because they dont understand the economics of this country compared to there's and obviously they dont have any debt when they come over.

Lots of companies want people to be able to drive whether its a requirement of the job or not, i could spend easily £1000 a year in bus fare to get to a job in the next city.

If i live on the outskirts of town i would have to get a bus into town/city centre then from here to the next city and this would cost me nearly as much as £1000 again, so i could be throwing away as much as £2000 a year in bus fares alone, no one can afford to chuck away that kind of money just getting to work.

I think you need to look at the economics of living in UK for low paid workers before you accuse people of things. have you forgotten the price of living has gone up quite alot more than peoples' earnings in the last 2 years especially.

you may as well be telling the workers who strike because of a pay deal not being good enough for them, to shut up moaning at least they still have a job.

Accountants earn alot of money these days i have a friend earning well over £30k as a management accountant.

peter999

kev1n3 wrote:

For your information "Mr Angry" they know I wasn’t happy with them because I told them so. I have no problems with anyone knowing I would TELL on them if they were screwing the system.. It’s MY tax money they are stealing.. As you will see if you look back thru the thread.. Its the people that truly need DLA that suffer the most. If its to take people like me to ROUTE out theses scoungers to ensure the right people get help then I am proud to defend the less fortunate in our society.

So whay haven't you reported them yet ??

You are Judge & Jury & have passed sentence.

Should all Benefits Agency decisions come to you, to see if you agree
or whether YOU are happy ??

You have made it clear you "want to scrap the system" & therefore have another agenda in your views.

peter999

kev1n3

peter999 wrote:

So whay haven't you reported them yet ??

You are Judge & Jury & have passed sentence.

Should all Benefits Agency decisions come to you, to see if you agree
or whether YOU are happy ??

You have made it clear you "want to scrap the system" & therefore have another agenda in your views.

peter999

I have reported them.. and guess what?.. the car was withdrawn. saving the tax payer quite a lot of money.. :T
I'm not so sure i'm Judge & Jury & have passed sentence. I just want to be sure my tax is being used in the proper way. What is wrong with that?

liney

Surely only people making fraudulent claims, or condoning that behavior in others, would argue that it is acceptable to do so. No one has said anyone should not claim benefits - they have said they should not claim benefits that they are not entitled to. And by entitled i mean really entitled, not 'doctor im depressed /smirk' entitled, or 'doctor i have a bad back /limp' entitled.

I really think you should re read your posts Peter999 and then you might see why a) it looks like you think it is ok for people to make false claims and b) why you come across as Mr Angry.

kev1n3

liney wrote:

Surely only people making fraudulent claims, or condoning that behavior in others, would argue that it is acceptable to do so. No one has said anyone should not claim benefits - they have said they should not claim benefits that they are not entitled to. And by entitled i mean really entitled, not 'doctor im depressed /smirk' entitled, or 'doctor i have a bad back /limp' entitled.

I really think you should re read your posts Peter999 and then you might see why a) it looks like you think it is ok for people to make false claims and b) why you come across as Mr Angry.

i was just about to say the same thing...

peter999

kev1n3 wrote:

I have reported them.. and guess what?.. the car was withdrawn. saving the tax payer quite a lot of money..

My that was quick & all in a day, or was it an afternoon !!
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peter999

liney wrote:

I really think you should re read your posts Peter999 and then you might see why a) it looks like you think it is ok for people to make false claims

Nobody has suggested this at all.

I suggest YOU reread the thread & take in everything that has been said.
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