Metro Penalty Fare Notice

dizzybuff

FATBALLZ wrote: »

There's being liable for a crime and then there's being asked to fulfil a penalty that you have no means to do so. Going to jail at any age is easy but paying a fine when you can't work and can't claim benefits can be impossible. I'm sure in practice the parents usually pay but what if they won't?

In practice , but there are times the parents do not have the means .

Maybe the OP should make the daughter pay for her actions , like I have said before not through the legal system but in the family home .

I have many family members who are 15 , they are responsible for their own actions , if they get into a financial mess ( we live and learn at that age) the parents bail them out but not without consequences at home.

If the OP DD did buy a ticket , why not just tuck it in her waistband or knickers and not rely on the possibility of a friend lose it .

I live in a city with a tram system and I have no sympathy for fare dodgers at all . Juvenille or otherwise , if they know whats right and wrong , make them pay in one way or another.

bigturnip

FATBALLZ wrote: »

There's being liable for a crime and then there's being asked to fulfil a penalty that you have no means to do so. Going to jail at any age is easy but paying a fine when you can't work and can't claim benefits can be impossible. I'm sure in practice the parents usually pay but what if they won't?

I'm sure if somebody really wanted to make a point they could go to court and see what a judge has to say. I would guess something along the lines of deferring the fine till the defendant was 18 and that it should then be paid at something stupid like 50p a week.

macthemountie

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Oh sure, posting on an obscure internet forum really boosts my ego :rotfl:

In terms of lame flames that one is on a par with "Does your Daddy know you are using his computer".

You think I am out of order with my comment, fine. Now you post some good advice in the parking forum so I am going to let this go but next time don't be such a d ick.

macthemountie came here for advice. macthemountie did not like the good advice he/she got and started to look down his/her nose at people ignoring the fact their daughter was a fare dodger. I use the Metro. Fare dodgers are a nuiscance and cause inconvenience and cost to the rest of us so I have zero tolerance of them and zero tolerance of those who condone them.

Geordieracer summed it up perfectly in post 2. It is a tough lesson for the daughter to learn it but the daughter needs to take responsibility for her own failure.

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Well done. By the look of your photo you have obviously never had kids of your own. To label my daughter as a fare dodger because she had no ticket to produce is grossly unfair. She uses the Metro most days and would not willingly choose to travel without a ticket. Also I do not look down my nose at other people for any reason, I treat all people as equals unless they give good reason for me not to. Seeing as you are the latter you remind me of a sad old g*t who has got no life and is 'a billy no mates'. For you to question me to be a bad parent just about sums up the type of judgemental idiot that you are. Still if the silly santa hat fits :rotfl:
PS; if you would like to have a chat face to face just name the place or let me know which store you are working in this December.

bigturnip

Do you genuinely believe your daughter bought a ticket and gave it to her friend who lost it? You know your daughter better than anybody on here, so if that's what you think then who are we to question it? We can only assume that what you state is fact. Out of interest, did you daughter's friend also get a fine?

macthemountie

!!!!!! wrote: »

As the child is under 18 and in the care of their parents then surely the parents also have financial responsibility & liability for the child and their actions?

I totally agree with you. However I cannot be with my daughter 24/7. If they wrote to the parent/legal guardian in the first instance then we would have paid the £20 fine.

I am starting to get the feeling that all of these types of replies are from people who have not brought up children of their own otherwise they would realise there are far worse things that their teenage kids could get up to.

My whole point is that we should have been notified in the first place and not after the 21 days had elapsed so we were outside of the appeal process. Or was it just coincedence that they found the time to write out immediately after the 21 day deadline?

Typical underhand tactics one would expect from these type of companies. I have sent the £20 fine off but refuse to pay the £30 admin fee. I will see them in court and if they cannot demonstrate that it actually cost in the region of £30 to produce a computer generated letter and envelope and slide it through a franking machine then it is likely to be overturned.

macthemountie

bigturnip wrote: »

Do you genuinely believe your daughter bought a ticket and gave it to her friend who lost it? You know your daughter better than anybody on here, so if that's what you think then who are we to question it? We can only assume that what you state is fact. Out of interest, did you daughter's friend also get a fine?

No her friend had a ticket. I am really not sure whether my daughter bought a ticket or not. She travels on the Metro a lot and we had gave her the money for her tickets so i see no reason why not. She has never been fined before, however, I know like all other kids they can have selective memory. Point is, she could not produce her ticket so has to take full responsibility which is why she was grounded for 2 weeks and her pocket money stopped for a month.

I doubt whether that would be sufficient punishment as far as the grumpy old santa is concernd though. :beer:

System

macthemountie wrote: »

I totally agree with you. However I cannot be with my daughter 24/7. If they wrote to the parent/legal guardian in the first instance then we would have paid the £20 fine.

I am starting to get the feeling that all of these types of replies are from people who have not brought up children of their own otherwise they would realise there are far worse things that their teenage kids could get up to.

It would appear that if your daughter didn't tell you then she appears to not have a great deal of faith or trust in your reaction. Only you can sort that problem out.

And for your feeling about replies, I have one daughter of 16 and one of 21 but at least both of them trust both myself and my wife sufficiently to talk to us.

macthemountie

taffy056 wrote: »

I think you are out of order, you don't know this person and to slate them as a bad parent because of a teenager's trivial mistake speaks volumes about yourself.

You and your troll like answer is of no benefit to anyone, oh unless you count the boost to your ego , you must be so proud of yourself !

Thanks for that Taffy, I could not have said it better myself, but i have tried a bit further down. Do you not think we would feel as bitter and twisted if we had to look in the mirror every morning :rotfl:

bigturnip

!!!!!! wrote: »

It would appear that if your daughter didn't tell you then she appears to not have a great deal of faith or trust in your reaction. Only you can sort that problem out.

And for your feeling about replies, I have one daughter of 16 and one of 21 but at least both of them trust both myself and my wife sufficiently to talk to us.

Who hasn't kept things secret from their parents? Everybody's done it before, this isn't a major event, it's something she was probably just hoping would go away.

macthemountie

iamana1ias wrote: »

Utter b0llox. It's perfectly legal to work when you are 15 - and younger in fact. Don't see many middle aged people with paper rounds

At 15 I'd been working for a year and had already saved around a third of the money I'd use at 17 for my first car.

OP, you can't have it all ways. If she's old enough to ride the metro alone and be responsible for buying her own ticket then she's old enough to deal with the consequences when she doesn't.

Lax parenting isn't going to give her any kind of sense of responsibility

You are right she does have to deal with the consequences her self. She has accepted she has to accept the blame for what happened.

It must have been a quality car you bought what a wonderful child you must have been?

Just one question though, where do you get Lax parenting from?

Oh, I guess because you were such a perfect child, working and saving hard that you have grown up to be a perfect parent. Get a life saddo.