MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

lucylucky

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

He could give the customers a key.

There is always a solution.

Will you stop with the sensible solutions, heaven help us some of them might catch on.:)

liam8282

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Originally Posted by Spartacus_Mills
He could give the customers a key.

There is always a solution.

lucylucky wrote: »

Will you stop with the sensible solutions, heaven help us some of them might catch on.:)

Is that supposed to be a joke? How many customers does a business have? Does a business know every customer to give them a key?

If only people would think before posting.

liam8282

anewman wrote: »

Having an open car park is an invitation to park. Just like leaving your front door unlocked and propped open is an invitation for burglars (try claiming off contents insurance if you told them you left the front door unlocked, never-mind actually open). I therefore go back to the wonderful invention of the barrier, which actually prevents unauthorised parking.

You seem to purport that people park in an unauthorised manner in order to intentionally and maliciously cause some harm to the land owner, and I would dispute that this is the case. Yes there are some thick selfish people about but I doubt you will be able to change them to your way of thinking. That brings us nicely back again to that lovely invention the barrier.

So the big massive sign saying "DO NOT PARK HERE", is actually an open invite because you don't or can't have numerous security devices to protect your land for those you want to use it.

Give me strength. :rotfl:

lucylucky

I honestly don't know how we cope here in Scotland.

Must be some sort of magic.

anewman

liam8282 wrote: »

So the big massive sign saying "DO NOT PARK HERE", is actually an open invite because you don't or can't have numerous security devices to protect your land for those you want to use it.

Give me strength. :rotfl:

And where are they placed that can be visibly seen or read? In most cases people can enter a car park, park up, and leave, all without seeing one of those signs, even if there is one or two in the car park. This is because the people who put those signs up are a bit thick and don't think in terms of how people coming in to park will see them. The signs really need to be at the entrance of the car park and in regular positions throughout the car park where most people parking up would actually read the sign. You can not expect people to come in and park and spend ten minutes seeking out the no parking sign. A barrier would probably be cheaper than putting up all those signs.

OTOH why do people park up in private car parks for free and walk in to town? The reason is the NCP and multi-storeys in town have a barrier, so you can't just go park and forget to pay! So as you see it really is an effective solution.

The other thing I have seen which seem quite a good idea is these flap things, idea being as you go in the flaps go down, but if you try to come out the same way the flap has a good dig into your tyre. That way you can easily get into the entrance but can't easily get out, and therefore you should have a legitimate reason for going into the car park. These would allow 24 hour access to get in easily but would need someone to let you out.

spirit

liam8282 wrote: »

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I could look out of a window and see at least 6 cars doing just that right now.

All that banning clamping has done, has remove the one effective deterrent which stopped people from doing this.

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If you can look out of a window and see at least 6 cars parking on private property right now. That would suggest to me that clamping doesn't work and would appear not to be a deterrent since clamping has not yet been outlawed.

lucylucky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7_wpczou7g

Metal posts in the ground are great!

Nothing to do with parking but it raises a smile

liam8282

anewman wrote: »

And where are they placed that can be visibly seen or read? In most cases people can enter a car park, park up, and leave, all without seeing one of those signs, even if there is one or two in the car park. This is because the people who put those signs up are a bit thick and don't think in terms of how people coming in to park will see them. The signs really need to be at the entrance of the car park and in regular positions throughout the car park where most people parking up would actually read the sign. You can not expect people to come in and park and spend ten minutes seeking out the no parking sign. A barrier would probably be cheaper than putting up all those signs.

Another one who has obviously NOT read the thread before posting.

I said the car park I know of, has a 1m x 2m sign on the one and only entrance / exit.

But maybe then again people might not be able to read?

OTOH why do people park up in private car parks for free and walk in to town? The reason is the NCP and multi-storeys in town have a barrier, so you can't just go park and forget to pay! So as you see it really is an effective solution.

Yes, an effective solution if you operate a parking business and have the time and resources to throw at it.

The other thing I have seen which seem quite a good idea is these flap things, idea being as you go in the flaps go down, but if you try to come out the same way the flap has a good dig into your tyre. That way you can easily get into the entrance but can't easily get out, and therefore you should have a legitimate reason for going into the car park. These would allow 24 hour access to get in easily but would need someone to let you out.

Again if you have enough time and money to throw at a problem, you will probably find an answer for it.

But will this work in day to day business, NO.

liam8282

spirit wrote: »

If you can look out of a window and see at least 6 cars parking on private property right now. That would suggest to me that clamping doesn't work and would appear not to be a deterrent since clamping has not yet been outlawed.

You haven't read the thread either.

I already said that the car park I know of, does not operate clamping cars.

They do have signs which say vehicles will be clamped. This does act as a deterrent to people that don't know the area. I have actually seen cars stop, read the first big sign, ignore it, drive in see a clamping sign and drive out.

The problem arises as it is actually located in a small district, so most people know where they can park and get away with it, and where they can't.

Also let's make it quite clear I have never actually said that clamping is the complete solution to people parking on private land.

What I have said that clamping is / was an effective solution for a lot of people, just as posts are for some, barriers for others, clamping was for those who chose it.

liam8282

anewman wrote: »

In this video Liam tries to show that a barrier is a bad idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECeRhqqVGT0

If you just want to change this discussion into some sort of personal insult throwing slanging match, go right ahead.

As I said before, it justs shows the level of a large proportion of posters on this thread.