MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

Bashy

You use ether one of these:

http://www.esi.info/Images/profilePics/SDS_Security_Posts_OPTI_114_retractable_stainless_steel_bollard_2.jpg

Or a cheap one like this that alot of folk have on the own drive ways:

http://www.jarrettfencing.co.uk/images/parking-post.jpg

Padlock on top one to every person you want to park there, Same can be used for customers it does not take 2 mins to undo lock and drop for your customers to park.

The more exspensive one is just a push button say if you have 100 you push number 55 that on goes down untill space is free.

I dont know much about these poles but i do know they only around £30 on ebay new:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SINK-INTO-CONCRETE-FOLD-DOWN-SECURITY-POST-DRIVE-/170356672519?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories

As i business i bet you could get these for £20 or under

Nicip

Ok, so its not illegal, but a few of those who've parked in my spaces have thrown those words back at me whe I've told them that I'd follow them home and park on their driveways!

But like it or not, the guy on the tv last night was refering to a penalty as as parking fine, and said that they are enforceable.

I am a small business owner, I pay for parking spaces that I need, they are not occupied at all times during the day, but both I and my helpers need to be able to park when we get there. I would be quite happy to be given the means to drag these cars out onto the public highway, I don't want to benefit from people being towed away, I just want to be able to park in spaces that legally belong to me. The sign in my parking area is huge. It is not obstructed in any way. The writing on it can be read from 30 feet away. We just have a load of !!!!!!!!!!s around who think that they should always have something for nothing from those of us who are prepared to pay our way.

liam8282

Bashy wrote: »

You use ether one of these:

http://www.esi.info/Images/profilePics/SDS_Security_Posts_OPTI_114_retractable_stainless_steel_bollard_2.jpg

Or a cheap one like this that alot of folk have on the own drive ways:

http://www.jarrettfencing.co.uk/images/parking-post.jpg

Padlock on top one to every person you want to park there, Same can be used for customers it does not take 2 mins to undo lock and drop for your customers to park.

The more exspensive one is just a push button say if you have 100 you push number 55 that on goes down untill space is free.

I dont know much about these poles but i do know they only around £30 on ebay new:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SINK-INTO-CONCRETE-FOLD-DOWN-SECURITY-POST-DRIVE-/170356672519?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories

As i business i bet you could get these for £20 or under

You also then need to dig up 25 holes in the car park.

You need to have a member of staff who can be sat waiting for clients to arrive and operate the locks.

If the premises is rented, you may not have permission to start digging up the car park.

All of these costs and associated costs are unpractical and a burden on the business as a whole.

How many busy clients are going to want to pull into your car park and wait while you find the key for parking bay number 14? Time is money & all that.

Compare all of the above with a few signs and a quick phone call to a clamper.

Nicip

Only problem with the posts is that approx 30 people would need to have the access! Like I said, small business with loads of helpers! And as the parking is behine the building we can't always see when people would need access, like the many reps who visit.

I'm all for a fully regulated penalty system. Someone parks there, they get issued with a £5 or £10 penalty. Doesn't need to be alot but more than it would have cost in the local car park

Bashy

liam8282 wrote: »

You also then need to dig up 25 holes in the car park.

You need to have a member of staff who can be sat waiting for clients to arrive and operate the locks.

If the premises is rented, you may not have permission to start digging up the car park.

All of these costs and associated costs are unpractical and a burden on the business as a whole.

How many busy clients are going to want to pull into your car park and wait while you find the key for parking bay number 14? Time is money & all that.

Compare all of the above with a few signs and a quick phone call to a clamper.

For one you have just balled up your own aguement there, One its take two min to undo a lock, but how long before clampers gets there plus release time etc(thats a spaced unused for hours not mins) etc arguing outside is even worse for your business and who said anything about digging up, thse things are just bolted down

Take a normal man half a day to do about 20 of these

Customers wait in a shopping que, they wait in a petrol station for fuel, they wait for ticket machines for parking etc, I dont think waiting 2 min for you to undo a lock is out of there way

Frank_n_Furter

The problem is that the general public are arrogant and ignorant in the extreme, I have had people tell me to my face that it is okay for them to park on my fourecourt after 6pm, so my reply is that they can't work past 3pm as if it is allright for them to decide my working time I should be able to determine theirs. Furthermore my signs say 24 hour access is required for my customers to leave their vehicles for work the following day, completely ignored. I do my own clamping for inconvience ie no charge, release the next day, however I have had people tell me that unless I attend their vehicle imeadiatley they will vandalise my premises and cut off my clamp, this being 3am that they have phoned. I have been assulted and threatened, all I want to do is use my own property to make a living. PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MINIMUM £1000 FINE FOR ABUSING THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. It is the general public who are scum.

Spartacus_Mills

Frank_n_Furter wrote: »

The problem is that the general public are arrogant and ignorant in the extreme, I have had people tell me to my face that it is okay for them to park on my fourecourt after 6pm, so my reply is that they can't work past 3pm as if it is allright for them to decide my working time I should be able to determine theirs. Furthermore my signs say 24 hour access is required for my customers to leave their vehicles for work the following day, completely ignored. I do my own clamping for inconvience ie no charge, release the next day, however I have had people tell me that unless I attend their vehicle imeadiatley they will vandalise my premises and cut off my clamp, this being 3am that they have phoned. I have been assulted and threatened, all I want to do is use my own property to make a living. PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MINIMUM £1000 FINE FOR ABUSING THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. It is the general public who are scum.

Put a gated fence up, which you open in the morning and lock at night, like my local supermarket car park does.

Oh, and shut your whining up as well. There is always a solution even if people are too lazy to think of it.

liam8282

Bashy wrote: »

For one you have just balled up your own aguement there, One its take two min to undo a lock, but how long before clampers gets there plus release time etc(thats a spaced unused for hours not mins) etc arguing outside is even worse for your business and who said anything about digging up, thse things are just bolted down

Take a normal man half a day to do about 20 of these

Customers wait in a shopping que, they wait in a petrol station for fuel, they wait for ticket machines for parking etc, I dont think waiting 2 min for you to undo a lock is out of there way

I am not arguing, no matter how much you try.

I am just elaborating on your suggestion, to show where it isn't practical.

For starters 2 of the 3 examples you posted links to, did look like drop posts, which require a hole in the ground for the post to drop into.

For all of the posts, the client is going to have to pull into the car park, leave their car blocking the car park, go into the office, get a member of staff to get a key to unlock a certain parking space, go back out, unlock the space, park the car...............

Basically, a lot longer than 2 mins.

Another flaw to your suggestion, how do you stop those same nuisance drivers parking in front of the posts? Now you have a space behind a post you can't use, and more of the car park blocked. I could answer this myself, as no doubt the council and police will be called, which is what I believe is going to be the overall answer for the majority of cases.

liam8282

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Put a gated fence up, which you open in the morning and lock at night, like my local supermarket car park does.

Oh, and shut your whining up as well. There is always a solution even if people are too lazy to think of it.

No good for the 24 hour access required though is it?

Bashy

They are practical 2 mins is still better than hours because like you said you may have clamped the car but the driver has gone off for the day, well thats that space gone for sake of 2-10 mins then.

If you have space in front of a space then use the one right at the back for staff, the pole space use for customers easy, I dont understand why you cant think of such simple things to solve. Whats do you mean stop folk parking infront of the post- that will be ether the footway, path or a roadway.

This cannot be so hard you cant solve it, other places dont use clamps and have solved work it out