MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

Spartacus_Mills

justcat wrote: »

Liam, people have offered up numerous solutions for landowners but you have rejected every one of them. If you are a shopowner then do say so. That way your rejection of everyone's ideas would seem slightly more rational.
Just because you don't like the ideas doesn't mean others wouldn't opt for them.

Why waste your time, you would be better served finding a brick wall to beat your head against. He is being deliberately obtuse and indulging in strawman arguments. Simply a case of forum onanism on his side.

Clampers are toast. Rejoice and do not let a worthless WUM spoil the glorious news.

justcat

Liam, I have read this entire thread. Limited or numerous, suggestions have been made. What have you done apart from reject them? You say that they would only work in specific situations but at least they WOULD work.
I haven't said anything rude or offensive to you but you choose to be rude to me. if other people are being abusive to you then fine, but it seems to me that you are doing the same thing me which you believe people are doing to you.
My point was that if you were a shopowner, we would consider your responses better because you would know first hand what you would and would not be able to afford.
I'm not trying to get at anyone here, but your response to me shows that you don't really care about other people's replies if they are not backing your opinion.

liam8282

justcat wrote: »

Liam, I have read this entire thread.

Ok, so you will have seen my initial question, which I still don't believe has been answered by anybody.

Limited or numerous, suggestions have been made. What have you done apart from reject them? You say that they would only work in specific situations but at least they WOULD work.

Yes, but clampers also worked in those situations, and were also easier to implement and more cost effective.

Even a sign saying clamping in operation acted as a deterrent, even if no clampers were actually in operation.


Just because some clampers were cowboys, you cannot say all clampers were cowboys, as the majority of people on this thread do.

I haven't said anything rude or offensive to you but you choose to be rude to me. if other people are being abusive to you then fine, but it seems to me that you are doing the same thing me which you believe people are doing to you.

I haven't called you an idiot, scum.....

I maybe a little defensive, but is that not understandable?

My point was that if you were a shopowner, we would consider your responses better because you would know first hand what you would and would not be able to afford.

I could be a shopowner, a landowner, an employee in a shop, the list goes on, it doesn't really make any difference to the discussion.

I'm not trying to get at anyone here, but your response to me shows that you don't really care about other people's replies if they are not backing your opinion.

Your reply is just a debate about my posts, nothing to really do with the discussion about clamping.

Coblcris

ripped_off_driver wrote: »

Unfortunately she has learned the hardway that clampers will do anything to avoid their obligations. They will routinely phoenix businesses to avoid CCJs, operate from PO Boxes etc. etc. Again these are not the actions of legitimate businesses and this was no doubt one of the reasons that the government ultimately decided that these scammers would never comply with any regulation in any form.

The mistake your daughter made was not to include the landowner in the action. She would have had a much better chance of getting her money back from that source.

See if this will help.
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/HMCSCourtFinder/GetForm.do?court_forms_id=167

The status of the clamping company should be checked with Companies House. Ensure that, if the company still exists, that Companies House knows about the CCJ then they can step in should the clamping company seek to dissolve.

justcat

Quote:
Originally Posted by justcat
Liam, I have read this entire thread.

Ok, so you will have seen my initial question, which I still don't believe has been answered by anybody.
If you don't think so then fair enough
Limited or numerous, suggestions have been made. What have you done apart from reject them? You say that they would only work in specific situations but at least they WOULD work.

Yes, but clampers also worked in those situations, and were also easier to implement and more cost effective.
The point is though that the charges were out of proportion. As someone said earlier, a £30 would suffice.
Even a sign saying clamping in operation acted as a deterrent, even if no clampers were actually in operation.
They haven't banned signs. People could put them up if they wanted to.

Just because some clampers were cowboys, you cannot say all clampers were cowboys, as the majority of people on this thread do.
I have not said anything about them being cowboys unless you can point me to something I might be missing...
I haven't said anything rude or offensive to you but you choose to be rude to me. if other people are being abusive to you then fine, but it seems to me that you are doing the same thing me which you believe people are doing to you.

I haven't called you an idiot, scum.....

I maybe a little defensive, but is that not understandable?
No you haven't, but you have alluded to me 'jumping on the band wagon' and not reading the thread properly which I do find offensive. Like you, I'm very aware that I have my own mind and can make my own opinions.
And I haven't called anyone an idiot or scum either.
My point was that if you were a shopowner, we would consider your responses better because you would know first hand what you would and would not be able to afford.

I could be a shopowner, a landowner, an employee in a shop, the list goes on, it doesn't really make any difference to the discussion.
I was actually trying to help your arguement there because I think people would have been more understanding if they knew you were in a position to be affected by this first hand.
I'm not trying to get at anyone here, but your response to me shows that you don't really care about other people's replies if they are not backing your opinion.

Your reply is just a debate about my posts, nothing to really do with the discussion about clamping.

And your reply isn't a debate about my posts? I was attempting to maybe ease the constant arguing but obviously my efforts failed.

Frank_n_Furter

The easiest way to disable a vehicle without causing any damage is to remove two valve cores from two tyres, this can be done by removing the tyre valve cap and unscrewing the valve core with a £1.99 tool available from Halfords, resulting in two flat tyres. To reverse the process refit the cores and reflate the tyres, no damage, providing the vehicle is not moved. Of course the vehicle owner may not have two cores and a pump and core tool to hand, but an hour or two of waiting for their recovery service won't kill them, or they can take a trip to Halfords. The likelyhood of any offical investigating the non permanent damage to a vehicle is pretty remote, especially when the burden of proof and plausabile deniability is taken into account. As I said just an observation, not a reccomendation.:rotfl:

liam8282

justcat wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by justcat
Liam, I have read this entire thread.

Ok, so you will have seen my initial question, which I still don't believe has been answered by anybody.
If you don't think so then fair enough

Ok.

Limited or numerous, suggestions have been made. What have you done apart from reject them? You say that they would only work in specific situations but at least they WOULD work.

Yes, but clampers also worked in those situations, and were also easier to implement and more cost effective.
The point is though that the charges were out of proportion. As someone said earlier, a £30 would suffice.

I have agreed with all the anti cowboy clamper posts etc. But I disagree that all clampers are cowboys and scum, as people on this thread make out.

I am actually of the opinion, that the people who should be responsible for parking in the correct place, is the person driving the car. Not the land owner, not a clamper......

Even a sign saying clamping in operation acted as a deterrent, even if no clampers were actually in operation.
They haven't banned signs. People could put them up if they wanted to.

They could also put up a Christmas Tree for all the use it has, as it is clearly unenforceable. Sorry if it that sounds offensive to you.

Just because some clampers were cowboys, you cannot say all clampers were cowboys, as the majority of people on this thread do.
I have not said anything about them being cowboys unless you can point me to something I might be missing...

Well you have been dragged into this petty debate by association, I do apologise.

I haven't said anything rude or offensive to you but you choose to be rude to me. if other people are being abusive to you then fine, but it seems to me that you are doing the same thing me which you believe people are doing to you.

I haven't called you an idiot, scum.....

I maybe a little defensive, but is that not understandable?
No you haven't, but you have alluded to me 'jumping on the band wagon' and not reading the thread properly which I do find offensive. Like you, I'm very aware that I have my own mind and can make my own opinions.
And I haven't called anyone an idiot or scum either.

Ok, point accepted.

My point was that if you were a shopowner, we would consider your responses better because you would know first hand what you would and would not be able to afford.

I could be a shopowner, a landowner, an employee in a shop, the list goes on, it doesn't really make any difference to the discussion.
I was actually trying to help your arguement there because I think people would have been more understanding if they knew you were in a position to be affected by this first hand.

If I were any of the persons mentioned above, the same responses have been offered, basically, it is your problem so deal with it.

How to deal with it, I ask? Who cares, your problem.

I'm not trying to get at anyone here, but your response to me shows that you don't really care about other people's replies if they are not backing your opinion.

Your reply is just a debate about my posts, nothing to really do with the discussion about clamping.

And your reply isn't a debate about my posts? I was attempting to maybe ease the constant arguing but obviously my efforts failed.

I am just being polite and offering a response to your post, not exactly arguing about anything?

Many people on this thread are arguing, notably the people saying I am wrong, I am an idiot, just because I have a differing opinion. You seem reasoned enough in your current posts to see that is clearly the case? I am only defending myself and my opinion.

Paranoid

Coblcris wrote: »

See if this will help.
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/HMCSCourtFinder/GetForm.do?court_forms_id=167

The status of the clamping company should be checked with Companies House. Ensure that, if the company still exists, that Companies House knows about the CCJ then they can step in should the clamping company seek to dissolve.

Quite right.
The clamping company I had a (successful) CC case against tried to 'voluntarily' wind up without the correct procedure, which is to inform all the creditors, among other things. Company House readily suspended the winding-up when presented with evidence. The clampers floated a 'phoenix' company and carried on trading. A few CCJ's later they again floated a phoenix company and carried on trading. Often jeering at us as they passed in their tow truck!
But not for much longer.....!

AlexisV

Liam, can you give some examples of problem parking situations on private land? How does it work in your shop? There is no magic wand to solve inconsiderate parking overnight, but there are various solutions for specific situations.

Please give us some scenarios so we continue the debate.

trisontana

AlexisV wrote: »

Liam, can you give some examples of problem parking situations on private land? How does it work in your shop? There is no magic wand to solve inconsiderate parking overnight, but there are various solutions for specific situations.

Please give us some scenarios so we continue the debate.

And don't forget all those mythical cases up and down the land where householders find motorists parking on their driveways.