MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

geordieracer

liam8282 wrote: »

What is going to be done about all of those that park without permission on private land?

People will probably have to go down the same route they do now when travellers set up on their land..

there is not a one size fits all solution as everywhere is different..

liam8282

geordieracer wrote: »

erm, if its untraceable then they will not know who owns. Hence why he said it ....

Which is my point, they call clampers scum, but then suggest a solution which is illegal?

Yes, I will go buy a banger for £100. It is not registered, not insured, not taxed. Completely untraceable back to me. Brilliant idea.

I might even set up a firm, instead of clamping, I will call it banger blocking in, come rent my banger off me to stop those nuisance people abusing your private parking spaces, doesn't quite have the same ring to it though. :rotfl:

ripped_off_driver

I believe in calling a spade a spade. Clampers have shown themselves to be thieving scum by their criminal actions over many years. Just because the police did not act in many cases does not make what was happening legitimate. Blackmail, extortion, demanding money with menaces and other offences were routinely committed by those lowlifes. The evidence is all over the internet.

Solutions have been suggested all over this thread but the people who have no interest (but take it very personally when clampers are deservedly called names) pretend not to hear. If parking becomes a problem after the clamping scourge is outlawed, landowners will have a range of options. If they choose not to implement these then parking problems cannot be that important to them anyway. They can't have it both ways and will now have to find another way forward other than robbing their fellow man.

HO87

liam8282 wrote: »

I still await an answer to a simple question:

What is going to be done about all of those that park without permission on private land?

They will continue to have recourse to civil action - like everybody else - and to call in the police where access to the highway is obstructed. They just won't be able to hire licenced knuckle-draggers to hold people to ransom.

I do have sympathy for those cases where landowners have a genuine problem but the vast majority of cases reported in the press and media and from my own observation demonstrate that clamping has been used as an unashamed money-making exercise plain and simple. Securing access or asserting the landowner's rights in these cases was completely ancillary to the clamping if not actually absent.

As has been said repeatedly the world did not come to an end in Scotland when clamping was outlawed and it will not end now it is coming to the rest of the UK. Besides having to revert to normal civil remedies perhaps some of these inconvenienced landowners could put in a call or two to their Scottish equivalents and find out what they do rather than simply bewailing the loss of clamping.

Spartacus_Mills

Driver8 wrote: »

I will not go into ways and means, but if you wanted to stop people parking in your car park you could with out having to employ apes with hi viz vests on.

Here, take a look at a face of a clamper. Just scroll down a bit. No wonder he looks like that for charging a "rudeness fee" Could not have happened to a nicer guy by the sounds of it.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/3955857.Clampers_charge___450_to_release_cars_and_fine___50_for_arguing/

What a shame. As you say could not happen to a nicer chap, or more deserving case.

liam8282

ripped_off_driver wrote: »

I believe in calling a spade a spade. Clampers have shown themselves to be thieving scum by their criminal actions over many years. Just because the police did not act in many cases does not make what was happening legitimate. Blackmail, extortion, demanding money with menaces and other offences were routinely committed by those lowlifes. The evidence is all over the internet.

Yes, but you clearly have a biased bigoted view towards clampers.

Hence your name, ripped off driver, who ripped you off?

Just from reading info available on this site, there are about 2-3k clamping companies, 650 fully registered with the correct authorities etc.

Taking it to your extreme you could say the 2k unregistered companies are all cowboys and crooks, but you are not justified in insulting the 650 legitimate companies.

There is evidence all over the internet of bad parking too you know.

Solutions have been suggested all over this thread but the people who have no interest (but take it very personally when clampers are deservedly called names) pretend not to hear.

When I have asked a specific question, and received an unspecific response to a different situation, I have asked that my question be answered.

That's all, nothing difficult.

If parking becomes a problem after the clamping scourge is outlawed, landowners will have a range of options. If they choose not to implement these then parking problems cannot be that important to them anyway.

What are these options? Please name one enforceable option.

But when you do please don't talk about installing high tech barrier systems, manning your car park, or Scotland.

They can't have it both ways and will now have to find another way forward other than robbing their fellow man.

But it is ok for a person to effectively rob his fellow man by parking on private property?

What is the reason for your bitterness, and complete bias in this discussion.

Hmm, I wonder, ripped off driver.

DJ_Mike

The problem with most clamping firms is that they use exceptionally poor judgement to make the quickest buck possible. It's fair play to have an enforced policy on your private land that penalises people who park there. What's not fair play are the underhand tactics clamping firms employ to catch people out, not least of which is failing to post visible signs above all the spaces affected. I got caught out once parking in a space that happened to belong to a private company employing clampers. Why didn't I see the sign (note the singular)? They had one car-level sign on a nearby wall, and a whopping great transit van parked beside it completely blocking it from view.

Councils have to post clear, high-level warnings at closely-spaced intervals down a street which has parking restrictions. Why should it be any different for these cowboys?

So they tried regulation, and it didn't work. Guess what? It's private business, and it's apparently good business too!

So it's goodbye to clamping. No flowers.

liam8282

HO87 wrote: »

They will continue to have recourse to civil action - like everybody else - and to call in the police where access to the highway is obstructed. They just won't be able to hire licenced knuckle-draggers to hold people to ransom.

I do have sympathy for those cases where landowners have a genuine problem but the vast majority of cases reported in the press and media and from my own observation demonstrate that clamping has been used as an unashamed money-making exercise plain and simple. Securing access or asserting the landowner's rights in these cases was completely ancillary to the clamping if not actually absent.

As has been said repeatedly the world did not come to an end in Scotland when clamping was outlawed and it will not end now it is coming to the rest of the UK. Besides having to revert to normal civil remedies perhaps some of these inconvenienced landowners could put in a call or two to their Scottish equivalents and find out what they do rather than simply bewailing the loss of clamping.

I did say earlier that the Police and Council will be a lot busier, but was ridiculed as it is only a civil matter.

liam8282

DJ_Mike wrote: »

The problem with most clamping firms is that they use exceptionally poor judgement to make the quickest buck possible. It's fair play to have an enforced policy on your private land that penalises people who park there. What's not fair play are the underhand tactics clamping firms employ to catch people out, not least of which is failing to post visible signs above all the spaces affected. I got caught out once parking in a space that happened to belong to a private company employing clampers. Why didn't I see the sign (note the singular)? They had one car-level sign on a nearby wall, and a whopping great transit van parked beside it completely blocking it from view.

Councils have to post clear, high-level warnings at closely-spaced intervals down a street which has parking restrictions. Why should it be any different for these cowboys?

So they tried regulation, and it didn't work. Guess what? It's private business, and it's apparently good business too!

So it's goodbye to clamping. No flowers.

At least you started off your comment with "most clamping firms", so you can distinguish between the good and the bad.

Rather than, all clampers are scum, blah blah blah, scum, hate em all, blah blah blah.

liam8282

These cowboy clampers that everybody keeps referring to, did they actually go around on horses and heard up all of these unsuspecting motorists and force them to park on private land without permission?