IB failed medical, they are taking the mick big time!!!

Oldernotwiser

celinepatricia wrote: »

Take note oldernotwiser... the doctors have spent time as consultants and have spent time as GPs and some arent even doctors at all!!

What's that supposed to mean?

WhiteHorse

dmg24 wrote: »

The legal definition of a HCP is someone who is allied to one of the healthcare professions.

Er, so a 'Healthcare Professional' is someone who is 'allied' to 'one of the 'healthcare professions' (whose members are presumably ... 'Healthcare professionals'!).

Right ...

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

If they do the same assessments as a doctor, and pronounce on the same medical conditions, and with the same weight, then they are being treated as equal. QED.

They are equal for that role, because doctors have skills over and above the role.

celinepatricia wrote: »

Take note oldernotwiser... the doctors have spent time as consultants and have spent time as GPs and some arent even doctors at all!!

You have misquoted me!

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Er, so a 'Healthcare Professional' is someone who is 'allied' to 'one of the 'healthcare professions' (whose members are presumably ... 'Healthcare professionals'!).

Right ...

Yes, that is correct. I don't see your point (I am guessing there is not one)?

Oldernotwiser

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Er, so a 'Healthcare Professional' is someone who is 'allied' to 'one of the 'healthcare professions' (whose members are presumably ... 'Healthcare professionals'!).

Right ...

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/ahp.shtml

WhiteHorse

Jowo wrote: »

An ATOS person is truly independent ...

Well, that's certainly how it should be. However, ATOS is a for profit private organisation, so that immediately introduces an element of danger. If they buck the politicians, their lucrative contract will not be renewed.

I recall (it was reported in the national press at the time), a doctor who packed in doing assessments because he/she was put under great pressure to wrongly declare people fit.

Look ATOS up on Google to find a whole raft of interesting press reports, not the least of which is how much their contract is worth. Some of the reports are also quite alarming.

... they have a 40% chance of the decision being overturned by the looks of the stats.

So either the appeal adjudicators are themselves no good or there is a very serious problem further down the line!

serious_saver

dmg24 wrote: »

Hearsay is never a good source of information.

You seem to have a very narrow view of physiotherapists. You may not realise that physios can have knowledge (and indeed expertise) in all areas of medicine, including mental health and neurological conditions.

I agree with you that many other health care professionals have good knowledge of other medical conditions however it take just three years of university to become a qualified physiotherapist.

This is what the Royal College of Psychiatrists describes as the neccessary training to become a fully qualified psychiatrist

What is the career pathway of a psychiatrist?

Medical degree (usually 5 years)
This provides students with some exposure to the different specialties within medicine.

Foundation Year 1 and Foundation Year 2 (2 years)
After medical school you will spend 2 years working in a hospital as ‘foundation programme trainee.’ This will extend the knowledge and skills you have gained as a medical student. The foundation programme will help you understand the important qualities that you will need to develop to be a successful doctor. The second year of foundation programme will extend your knowledge and give you opportunities to experience working within different specialties.

Specialty training (usually 6 years)
Once you have completed the foundation programme you will be able to apply for specialty training in psychiatry. This will last for around 6 years and will include assessments through out the six years.

On successful completion of speciality training, you will be able to apply for a consultant post.

I think that the health care professional doing the assessment should at least be working directly in the field to which the claimant is suffering. I think it would also help weed out those who are making inappropriate claims. A physio (unless they have undertaken significant additional training) can only make assumptions on a mental health claimant whereas a qualified psych can come to genuine conclusions based on their expert knowledge.

WhiteHorse

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/ahp.shtml

Ah, thanks for that.

Interesting ... I note the distinction drawn there (other government websites may yet be different!), between 'AHP's' and straight 'professionals'!

WhiteHorse

serious_saver wrote: »

I think that the health care professional doing the assessment should at least be working directly in the field to which the claimant is suffering.

I think it would also help weed out those who are making inappropriate claims.

A physio (unless they have undertaken significant additional training) can only make assumptions on a mental health claimant whereas a qualified psych can come to genuine conclusions based on their expert knowledge.

Yes, exactly!

If someone has not studied it, how can they pronounce on it?

dmg24

serious_saver wrote: »

I agree with you that many other health care professionals have good knowledge of other medical conditions however it take just three years of university to become a qualified physiotherapist.

This is what the Royal College of Psychiatrists describes as the neccessary trainign to become a fully qualified psychiatrist

I think that the health care professional doing the examination should at least be working directly in the field to which the claimant is suffering. I think it would also help weed out those who are making inappropriate claims. A physio (unless they have undertaken significant additional training) can only make assumptions on a mental health claimant whereas a qualified psych can come to genuine conclusions based on their expert knowledge.

I wholly agree that those carrying out the assessments should have experience in the area which they are assessing, and that this does not always happen.

Your comparison between a psych and a physio is not a fair comparison, because neither at the levels described would make a suitable examiner. A psych is very unlikely to be carrying out an ATOS assessment, as they are unlikely to have recent experience in more generalist areas. Equally, a newly qualified physio is unlikely to be an examiner because they will not have sufficient experience.