IB failed medical, they are taking the mick big time!!!

WhiteHorse

dmg24 wrote: »

An hospital clerk has absolutely no right to call themselves a HCP. A HCP is someone qualified in one of the healthcare professions.

But just what are those 'professions'? Doctor, nurse, surgeon, paramedic, Yes. Others? What exactly are the criteria?

Incredibly few HCP's are struck off. You get bad eggs in every walk of life, but the good far outweigh the bad.

More are struck off than you think. Note that 'retraining' is extensively used as a fudge these days. The number of successful negligence lawsuits is skyrocketing too, and rightly so.

Please give examples.

Search MSE.

celinepatricia

My husband also recieved 0 points. when he told his GP his GP said the whole system is wrong, he said he gets many many people going to see him because the atos people have said his patients are well enough to work. I wonder how all these GPs feel when they are basically being told that they cant do their jobs properly and not only them Consultants also.

When we asked for a copy of the medical report atos had done there are things on it that the "doctor" had sumized the answer to, the actual question had not been asked. Also, the siting in a chair for x amount of time. My husband had to stand twice in the 40 minutes we were there because of discomfort on the form it states that he was sitting comfortably for the whole time.

Why do some people on these forums think that the some of the atos people cannt ever be wrong. Im all for getting people back into work if they have been on sickness benefit and now feel able to work although were all these jobs are coming from for the amount of people looking i have no idea. But, people who have genuine illnessess are being forced off benefits they are entitled to just on some atos persons say so

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

But just what are those 'professions'? Doctor, nurse, surgeon, paramedic, Yes. Others? What exactly are the criteria?


More are struck off than you think. Note that 'retraining' is extensively used as a fudge these days. The number of successful negligence lawsuits is skyrocketing too, and rightly so.


Search MSE.

So you cannot provide us with any evidence at all?

A medical professional who enters a period of retraining has not been struck off. These are strictly defined sanctions, you cannot apply your own meaning to the words just to try and fit your argument!

Unlike you, I can back up my information with facts and not hearsay - Healthcare Professionals. Having said that, not everyone who is registered with the HPC would be eligible to be an ATOS Medical Assessor - if you look at the ATOS Healthcare website you can find a job description.

Oldernotwiser

celinepatricia wrote: »

My husband also recieved 0 points. when he told his GP his GP said the whole system is wrong, he said he gets many many people going to see him because the atos people have said his patients are well enough to work. I wonder how all these GPs feel when they are basically being told that they cant do their jobs properly and not only them Consultants also.

You really cannot expect a GP to be any kind of expert in the general requirements for the world of work.

When a GP signs a normal sick note s/he are signing to say that the patient isn't capable of doing his/her normal work. The ATOS appointment is about whether someone is capable of doing any work at all - the two things are completely different.

celinepatricia

You really cannot expect a GP to be any kind of expert in the general requirements for the world of work.

But I can expext an atos person to be an expert!!!!!??????

WhiteHorse

dmg24 wrote: »

So you cannot provide us with any evidence at all?

See MSE and national press passim.

A medical professional who enters a period of retraining has not been struck off.

Did I say that was so? No.

These are strictly defined sanctions, you cannot apply your own meaning to the words just to try and fit your argument!

What 'argument' and what 'meaning'?

Unlike you, I can back up my information with facts and not hearsay [Link].

Interesting link, but you have still failed to post an answer. Is there perhaps some personal issue here? Oh, and do please try to curb your aggression, it is most unseemly.

Having said that, not everyone who is registered with the HPC would be eligible to be an ATOS Medical Assessor - if you look at the ATOS Healthcare website you can find a job description.

There is a reference to careers in 'disability assessment'. Doctors, nurses and physiotherapists are mentioned. Perhaps you would like to be more specific?

WhiteHorse

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

When a GP signs a normal sick note s/he are signing to say that the patient isn't capable of doing his/her normal work. The ATOS appointment is about whether someone is capable of doing any work at all - the two things are completely different.

Good point - but what of the new idea that GP's be required to sketch out what someone is capable of? GP's have already rejected this idea, and rightly so.

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

See MSE and national press passim.

I have provided you with information - you seem incapable of doing the same?

Did I say that was so? No.

So you agree that few HCP's are struck off.

What 'argument' and what 'meaning'?

You implied that those who are offered retraining were to be put in the same category as those who were struck off. If not, I don't see why you mentioned retraining?

Interesting link, but you have still failed to post an answer. Is there perhaps some personal issue here? Oh, and do please try to curb your aggression, it is most unseemly.

I am not aggressive, just bemused that your only source of information is the tabloids!

There is a reference to careers in 'disability assessment'. Doctors, nurses and physiotherapists are mentioned. Perhaps you would like to be more specific?

That is correct - if you read the job descriptions you will find the ones that refer to the DWP.

WhiteHorse

dmg24 wrote: »

Sorry Prinzessilein, you are wrong. Some of the examiners are not doctors, but they will be medical professionals - either nurses, physios etc.

How then is a nurse or physiotherapist the equal of a doctor? They are not qualified to that level, so how can they pronounce with equal validity in all areas?

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

How then is a nurse or physiotherapist the equal of a doctor? They are not qualified to that level, so how can they pronounce with equal validity in all areas?

Did I say that they were equal to a doctor? They are qualified to fulfil the role. Obviously there are some skills that a doctor will have that are above and beyond that required for the role.